# Entertaining Two Hour Rape **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686 "2009-10-30T02:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/61 "2009-10-30T21:32:07Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Well, I was told that it was on the frontpage of the local Newspaper. > > But yes, getting on NBC is big enough… is it? So they really analized it there, really… a fully 10 seconds, right? The whole nation is talking about it? It was on the front page of ALL local newspapers. But what analysis is needed really? It’s just a local crime story – though a particularly heinous one. ---
**Author:** ![kapri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4491bb/32.png) [@kapri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kapri)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/62 "2009-10-30T22:11:47Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > What does local mean to you? > The town’s local Newspaper? > Did this make FOX News? CNN? > > I’m talking about Nation Wide Full on 24h news coverage, where it blocks out everything else. > We had a much smaller incidence of gang rap here (and yes it happens here as well) and it was all over the news. > > This news even made our PRIME Newspapers over here [http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/us-teens-charged-in-school-gang-rape-case-432092.html](http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/us-teens-charged-in-school-gang-rape-case-432092.html) > [http://www.eecho.ie/news/index.aspx?c=world&jp=eymhcwausncw](http://www.eecho.ie/news/index.aspx?c=world&jp=eymhcwausncw) I don’t know about Fox, but it definitely made CNN and has been on the “front” page of their U.S. website for days. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/63 "2009-10-30T22:31:03Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > So, let me get this straigt… getting gang raped at a school dance is a common thing and not to worry about? > And this is normal practice everywhere? > > I can’t remember hearing this ever happening in a school as such, but maybe I just live in the wrong country for this to happen. > > But maybe stealing an apple or throwing a stone is the same thing as a gang rape with a live audience. I don’t think anyone is claiming it’s a common thing, nor that it is nothing to worry about. It is clearly not a new thing, however. I previously referenced an incident in Spring, Texas a few years ago that was every bit as horrific, if not more so. I can look up some links if need be. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/64 "2009-10-30T23:48:54Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > I don’t really see your point. I said "The pride in **some** of their faces. > > That cunt right in the front just left of center with a drink in his hand. Smiling and proud. There’s a face I wouldn’t get tired of kicking. I agree with you except the part you got factually incorrect. You did see my point. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/65 "2009-10-30T23:50:46Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Nope - I’m down here in County Cork. I’m not Japanese either. I’ve just always liked the name “Fuji”. It’s been my favorite alter-ego name for about 25-30 years now. > > And thanks for getting my point that I was trying to get across to **mswas**. I think he gets it now, too, now that our misunderstanding has been cleared up. In all fairness, I was never confused. 😉 I think **Chique** has a point though. That the US (or the handful of countries that are vying against it) is a better, safer and more moral place than any country in history was even 50 years ago. Sure maybe contemporary Sweden or Japan can compete with it but not their mid-twentieth century counterparts. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/66 "2009-10-30T23:52:58Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > You would happen to have a cite on this, of course. > **[Compulsory sterilization | Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#Sweden)** > > The eugenics program in Sweden was enacted in 1934 and was formally abolished in 1976. According to the 2000 governmental report, 21,000 were estimated to have been forcibly sterilized, 6,000 were coerced into a 'voluntary' sterilization while the nature of a further 4,000 cases could not be determined. Of those sterilized 93% were women. The reasons given for these sterilizations included mental slowness, racial differences, antisocial behavior, promiscuous behavior, and other behavior Until Dec... ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/67 "2009-10-31T00:33:02Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > It was on the front page of ALL local newspapers. > > But what analysis is needed really? It’s just a local crime story – though a particularly heinous one. …just a local crime story? Really? Is the US gone that far? Jez… that sounds like … well I don’t even have words for this. THIS is normal? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Rack-a-Bones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rack-a-Bones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rack-a-Bones)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/68 "2009-10-31T00:39:51Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Well, I was told that it was on the frontpage of the local Newspaper. > > But yes, getting on NBC is big enough… is it? So they really **analized** it there, really… a fully 10 seconds, right? The whole nation is talking about it? “analized” ? 😕 It’s gotten a lot of press, online and everywhere else. Last night I was talking about this with some people. It has not gone unnoticed or under reported ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/69 "2009-10-31T00:44:34Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > In all fairness, I was never confused. 😉 > > I think **Chique** has a point though. That the US (or the handful of countries that are vying against it) is a better, safer and more moral place than any country in history was even 50 years ago. Sure maybe contemporary Sweden or Japan can compete with it but not their mid-twentieth century counterparts. Apparently…Gang Rape is a common thing in US. If this is your moral high ground, then I have to say “No, thank you” Safe? I have not heard of any other 1st world countries, where people getting killed as regular as in the US. Better? So when I get sick, I have to worry about loosing my house, car and everything else I posses? Even though I got health insurance. Moral? A Gang Rape is just another local crime story… ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/70 "2009-10-31T04:37:52Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Apparently…Gang Rape is a common thing in US. If this is your moral high ground, then I have to say “No, thank you” > > Safe? I have not heard of any other 1st world countries, where people getting killed as regular as in the US. > > Better? So when I get sick, I have to worry about loosing my house, car and everything else I posses? Even though I got health insurance. > > Moral? A Gang Rape is just another local crime story… I really don’t know what your problem is, or what you’re trying to prove. But gang rape is NOT common here. You can’t judge by what a newspaper 1000 miles away prints. They serve the local readership in some other town. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/71 "2009-10-31T04:50:00Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Apparently…Gang Rape is a common thing in US. If this is your moral high ground, then I have to say “No, thank you” No hatred like hatred of the U.S. > [@Doughbag](#): > > But is this a reason for it being ok to have a gang rape? If this is so “not my business” we might have a party with your ass some day, since “who” cares anyway. Listen, you fucking moron. Nobody is saying gang rape is ok. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/72 "2009-10-31T06:36:28Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > You think there were no gang rapes with audiences in your generation? My main bitch comes from the fear that two dozen high school boys could just hang around and watch without lifting a finger to make a cell phone call. I’d like to know how that’s possible and while I accept the influence of the bystander effect I believe there’s more to it then that. I may have had an unusual upbring in the 50s and 60s in southern Ontario and while I endured considerable crap, there still was a lot of “Leave it to Beaver” in my life and in the lives of my peers. The times they are a changing. For the good and for the bad. It just seems the good gets better while the bad gets worse. While many parents and educators teach morals such as anti racism, acceptance of gays and other more conventional morals, they can employ very little enforcement or control. Yet the teen is bombarded with messages by the professional teen culture industry that portrays violence against women and degrades them as well. Add some drugs to the mix and you can imagine what’s normal today in the minds of many of our young. If you think I’m barking up the wrong tree, imagine this. What if the record labels put out a popular cd by white artists putting down niggers instead of hos ? ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/73 "2009-10-31T07:11:09Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > [Compulsory sterilization - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization#Sweden) Here’s a more detailed link talking about Sweden’s decision about 10 years ago to compensate those women who were involuntarily sterilized. Those who were “voluntarily” sterilized didn’t get compensation. I put “voluntarily” in quotes because in many cases, sterilization was made a condition of getting out of prison, or getting welfare, or keeping child custody, and pressure was brought to bear on these women to consent: > **[BBC NEWS | Health | Background Briefings | International | Sweden to...](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/background_briefings/international/290661.stm)** > > The Swedish Government is preparing to compensate thousands of women who were forcibly sterilised as part of a 40-year eugenics programme. ---
**Author:** ![nameless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/779978/32.png) [@nameless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nameless)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/74 "2009-10-31T07:25:04Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I may have had an unusual upbring in the 50s and 60s in southern Ontario and while I endured considerable crap, there still was a lot of “Leave it to Beaver” in my life and in the lives of my peers. > **[Countries Compared by Crime \> Rapes \> Per capita. International Statistics at...](https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rapes/Per-capita)** > > Number of sexual assaults recorded by police in that country per 100,000 population. Per capita figures expressed per 1,000 population. Canada: #5 USA: #9 Obviously skewed by incidences reported, but whatever. > **[Home](https://bjs.ojp.gov)** > > The Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) is the United States' primary source for criminal justice statistics that cover a wide range of topics. My generation rapes less than any other generation in history. Basically, knock this shit off, okay? > [@](#): > > What if the record labels put out a popular cd by white artists putting down niggers instead of hos ? I’m sorry, what? Are you blaming this on rap music? ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/75 "2009-10-31T07:27:22Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > What if the record labels put out a popular cd by white artists putting down niggers instead of hos ? You mean like [them](http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/pressethic/node/594)? I’m not sure where you’re going with the comparison. So you’re saying it’s the music industry’s fault marketing anti-women messages to today’s youth? Hasn’t this debate been going on since like the 1970s? ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/76 "2009-10-31T07:36:59Z")
Every time this story comes on CNN I have to change the channel because I find it so infuriating, so I don’t know all the details. But seriously we need a push for legislation to stiffly punish this sort of bystander. I accept that some people are so evil and pathetic that they will do things like this, but I’d like to think that in civil society these sorts of heinous crimes have to be committed in the dark and hidden from the public. To think that there wasn’t a single human reaction or a grain of moral strength from the crowd, that hits hard. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 9:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/77 "2009-10-31T09:27:59Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > I’m talking about Nation Wide Full on 24h news coverage, where it blocks out everything else. > We had a much smaller incidence of gang rap here (and yes it happens here as well) and it was all over the news. While this is a terrible crime all around, I’m amazed that the foreigners who have no idea how large the US is geographically and population-wise are coming out of the woodwork again. If we’re talking about Ireland, it’s about 300 miles from the northern tip of the country to the southern tip. If you start at the northen tip of the US in Maine and go 300 miles, you’ll make it to New Hampshire. That leaves 48 other states and around 306 million other people. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/78 "2009-10-31T12:49:06Z")
> [@nameless](#): > > I’m sorry, what? Are you blaming this on rap music? > [@](#): > > We had a much smaller incidence of gang rap here (and yes it happens here as well) and it was all over the news. Someone is, at least 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/79 "2009-10-31T13:55:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > In all fairness, I was never confused. 😉 > > I think **Chique** has a point though. That the US (or the handful of countries that are vying against it) is a better, safer and more moral place than any country in history was even 50 years ago. Sure maybe contemporary Sweden or Japan can compete with it but not their mid-twentieth century counterparts. Actually, I’d rather have lived in Sweden than the USA in 1959, seeing as how I am a product of miscegenation. I’ll give you Japan, though. It’s rather a pointless argument to make, though. In 2009, relative to its industrialized peers, the USA is _not_ inarguably the “best, safest, and most moral” place in the world. And it’s hardly a “handful of countries” that the US is being measured against. There are 37 other nations which the UN classifies in 2009 as having [Very High Human Development](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index) alongside the US, with a combined population of 687 million. And the US is only 13th on that list (Ireland is #5 ;)). ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/80 "2009-10-31T14:03:46Z")
> [@chique](#): > > Ewww, that really is a crap sentence, isn’t it? I was tired when I wrote it and went to bed immediately after I posted; I can’t remember what I was thinking about when I typed it so am unable to clarify, sorry. :dubious: If you say so… > [@](#): > > But that’s the only sentence I’ll retract from that post; I’m still pretty happy with the rest of it. Well, then. I still find this quote of yours: > [@](#): > > Something like 4,000 children under 18 died today from diarrhea. DIARRHEA. A condition those of us who imbibe get every Saturday and/or Sunday morning, 4,000 kids die from every day because their water sucks. Why on earth should I spend any energy whatsoever bemoaning the fate of victims of rare and random occurrences while multitudes more die every hour from something you, personally, can kill off with a bottle of Gatorade and a greasy breakfast? to be rather repulsive in nature. Morality and compassion are not zero-sum games. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=5)