# Entertaining Two Hour Rape **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686 "2009-10-30T02:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/101 "2009-10-31T18:10:17Z")
**mswas** , you’re starting to sound like **curlcoat** when she talks about UHC… 😛 So - the US us unique. So therefore, no comparisons can be made to other nations? I have been the only one in this thread supplying a wealth of statistical data, and all you can do is hand-wave it away and say the US is an anomaly? I’m not the one who’s arguing poorly here. And I did compare Ireland to Indiana in Post 89, per **kidchameleon** ’s suggestion. Since you asked nicely, here you go for IRE vs. MA: Ireland’s homicide rates per 100,000 population: 2004 = 1.12 2005 = 0.91 2006 = 1.57 2007 = 1.59 (Source = [List - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of)…\_homicide\_rate) Massachusetts’s homicide rates per 100,000 population: 2004 = 2.67 2005 = 2.77 2006 = 2.89 2007 = 2.85 (Source = [http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm](http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/macrime.htm)) ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/102 "2009-10-31T18:13:35Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > I just find the “the U.S. is a violent place” thing irritating. So do I. That’s one of the reasons I emigrated. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/103 "2009-10-31T18:18:56Z")
Since you’re not arguing in good faith I’m going to pull out of this. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/104 "2009-10-31T18:28:59Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > So do I. That’s one of the reasons I emigrated. Nice. But you know I meant that I’m tired of people saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/105 "2009-10-31T18:30:53Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Nice. But you know I meant that I’m tired of people saying that. Sure, I know what you meant. Doesn’t mean people are wrong when they say that. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/106 "2009-10-31T18:32:02Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Of course, to say that Ireland is not a violent country is [ignoring history](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles) just a little bit. 105 people were murdered in the _Republic_ of Ireland as part of the Troubles. This was in a nearly 30 year period. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/107 "2009-10-31T18:32:06Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Since you’re not arguing in good faith I’m going to pull out of this. 😕 I’m honestly confused here. What evidence would you accept? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/108 "2009-10-31T18:33:53Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > 😕 > > I’m honestly confused here. What evidence would you accept? It’s not evidence it’s the Curlcoat comment. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/109 "2009-10-31T18:34:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > This ‘bystander’ issue is troubling. > > Bystanders are under no obligation to intervene in a situation they witness, not even to the extent of calling the police. Some are probably shocked into immobility and horror – some probably get some kind of sick satisfaction from it. But we can’t go into their heads and figure out why each did or didn’t do what they should have. > > As to the videos – assuming the rapists come to trial, it’s likely that video recordings will be crucial evidence in their convictions. And some of you want to punish the people who record it? I wish EVERYONE who witnesses a crime and has a camera whips it out and starts recording it. Good point about the video recordings ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/110 "2009-10-31T18:36:56Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > It’s not evidence it’s the Curlcoat comment. Well, I don’t really mean you’re as bad as her. We can at least have a 2-way conversation here. But I am earnestly asking you: what evidence and/or arguments would you accept in making comparisons between the US and the rest of the world? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/111 "2009-10-31T18:45:40Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > How often do you think this happens in the US? And are you really saying that if this happened in Ireland it would be a BIG deal in Greece for more than one newscast? The last big thing like the “Fritzle” incident in Austria was big news here. So yes, a 2 hours gang rape on school grounds with bystanders would be BIG News. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/112 "2009-10-31T18:48:10Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > :dubious: If you say so… _shrug_ You’re just going to have to trust me when I say that I’m one of the last people on the planet who would argue for American exceptionalsim. > [@](#): > > Well, then. I still find this quote of yours: > > to be rather repulsive in nature. Morality and compassion are not zero-sum games. That wasn’t the argument I was trying to make - in fact, I wasn’t trying to argue anything that you think I was. Look, I can only care about approximately 3,812 things at a time. The media and its headlines is trying to tell me I should care about this one abhorrent rape just a little bit more. Why should I? It’s impossible for me to care about 3,813 things at once; there’s nothing I could have done to prevent it; I don’t know any of the participants so I can’t smack them in the head for being stupid and cruel; we already have laws in place to deal with the justice-related bits; and hopefully the victim will be able to pay for her medical and mental health bills (an iffy hope, really, but still). On the flip side 4,000 kids die from diarrhea each day. I already lobby my congressional representatives to change foreign policy in that general direction; I donate to organizations who operate in that area (not a lot because I’m poor, but still…); and try to keep myself informed on the subject (which, frankly, isn’t as easy as you’d think it would be - there are many more column inches printed about this one single rape then there has been on bad water in developing nations for the past six months). **IF** there were 10 gang rapes in every state in the Union every day? Yeah, I’d bump something off the bottom of my “I Care” list and add this to it. Until that happens, however, this statistical outlier is going to have to be content with being stuck into a category labeled “Poverty: Urban: American: And why no one gives a shit about kids living in it until they finally do something big enough to make CNN”. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/113 "2009-10-31T18:53:54Z")
OK, **chique**. Sorry for misunderstanding you. We cool? ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/114 "2009-10-31T18:59:02Z")
We’ve never not been. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/115 "2009-10-31T19:02:21Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Your name, dbag and your posts go well together. > > What shithole country do you live in? How this is even an argument is beyond me. Also, if your where able to read properly, you would have been able to read, that I do live in Ireland. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/116 "2009-10-31T19:32:52Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > **Fuji** You’re engaging in very poor argumentation. You’re shifting the goalposts all over the place. The bottom line is that the United States is unique in all the world. It is the largest highly developed nation on the planet by orders of magnitude. “Orders of magnitude.” That phrase doesn’t mean what you think it means. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/117 "2009-10-31T19:36:44Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Sure, I know what you meant. Doesn’t mean people are wrong when they say that. Generalizations are never right. ---
**Author:** ![tacoloco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tacoloco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tacoloco)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/118 "2009-10-31T19:42:59Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > How this is even an argument is beyond me. _facepalm_. You can’t even figure out when someone has insulted you. > [@](#): > > Also, if your where able to read properly, you would have been able to read, that I do live in Ireland. Clearly whatever education you got in Ireland is substandard. You don’t have the first fucking clue about the U.S. and you can’t spell. Wait. Are you a kid? That would explain a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/119 "2009-10-31T19:46:22Z")
> [@tacoloco](#): > > Generalizations are never right. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/120 "2009-10-31T21:16:39Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Well, I don’t really mean you’re as bad as her. We can at least have a 2-way conversation here. > > But I am earnestly asking you: what evidence and/or arguments would you accept in making comparisons between the US and the rest of the world? I’ll accept any as long as you recognize their limitations as a basis for comparison. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=7)