# Epic facebook meltdown from Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341 "2013-05-14T19:14:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/81 "2013-05-15T16:04:52Z")
Let me be clear - he didn’t \*confirm \*it - a person by that name is no better and no worse than a person with any other name. It’s just a name. It’s just that, in Israeli terms, “Sammy” as short for “Shmuel” is like “Jimbo” as short for “James” or “Joe Bob” as short for “Joseph Robert”. Add that to Buzaglo, the most Moroccan of all Moroccan names, and you’ve got something like an Irish guy called “Seamus O’Flannigan”. It’s a bit too much, you know? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/82 "2013-05-15T16:09:13Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > What’s the stereotype he confirmed? I’ll take “douche” for a thousand, Alex. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/83 "2013-05-15T16:13:05Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > That’s why I allowed for the possibility that they might have a full-on bakery kitchen elsewhere, maybe due to space limitations in that kitchen and how baking might interfere with other prep work. I think we can dismiss that thin possibility based on the fact that nearly every photo of a baked item on their website, or that they posted on yelp, was lifted from other sources. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/84 "2013-05-15T16:15:09Z")
While this is quite a funny/crazy story, I have to say that “the internet” isn’t coming out of it very well. Some of the abuse heaped onto their website is pretty excessive (and very puerile, in the main), as well as all the pornographic/shock-site pics uploaded onto their Yelp reviews, etc etc… ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/85 "2013-05-15T16:15:31Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I’ll take “douche” for a thousand, Alex. More like “redneck”. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/86 "2013-05-15T16:16:41Z")
> [@bup](#): > > I think we can dismiss that thin possibility based on the fact that nearly every photo of a baked item on their website, or that they posted on yelp, was lifted from other sources. Yup. Just recounting my thought process while watching the episode, and I can WAG that Ramsay might have been allowing for something similar, or just waiting to drop the WTF-bomb later - but then he called it all off and left. Frankly, I’m kind of surprised it hasn’t happened before now. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/87 "2013-05-15T16:22:32Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > While this is quite a funny/crazy story, I have to say that “the internet” isn’t coming out of it very well. Some of the abuse heaped onto their website is pretty excessive (and very puerile, in the main), as well as all the pornographic/shock-site pics uploaded onto their Yelp reviews, etc etc… You have got a point there. Also, one other thing that bothered me was that the two ex-employees said 50 people had come and gone in whatever short time. Ramsay then changed that, when speaking with the owners, to “they said you fired 50 people,” which psycho-woman took exception to. It got lost because Samy rolled over, but it didn’t seem like either Ramsay nor Amy were listening to the other. All the hits that the restaurant is taking for not baking their own stuff, for being in denial about whether their food is liked by their patrons, for insulting people who post negative reviews, and for going nuclear on their facebook page, are deserved. The random childish pornographic or disgusting images people are posting are not. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/88 "2013-05-15T16:47:36Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > While this is quite a funny/crazy story, I have to say that “the internet” isn’t coming out of it very well. Some of the abuse heaped onto their website is pretty excessive (and very puerile, in the main), as well as all the pornographic/shock-site pics uploaded onto their Yelp reviews, etc etc… It’s inevitable. Some people are just assholes. So when they see that there’s a target that other people are attacking, they join in because they enjoy attacking people not because they really care about the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/89 "2013-05-15T16:55:31Z")
> [@bup](#): > > You have got a point there. > > Also, one other thing that bothered me was that the two ex-employees said 50 people had come and gone in whatever short time. Ramsay then changed that, when speaking with the owners, to “they said you fired 50 people,” which psycho-woman took exception to. It got lost because Samy rolled over, but it didn’t seem like either Ramsay nor Amy were listening to the other. I know editing can be deceptive and who knows what kind of a server Katie was while the cameras weren’t running (this is a question I’ve been wondering for a while. I watched a couple of KN episodes last night and the servers almost without exception smirked the entire show about how terrible the food is and how clueless the owner(s) are. If you’re such hot shit why are you working for min. wage and no tips, huh?) but I cannot believe that asking “Are you sure?” was nasty and viperish. If that’s how Amy reacts to a simple question, I can totally buy that their turnover is mostly firings. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/90 "2013-05-15T16:57:24Z")
> [@Sally\_Mander](#): > > She refused to believe that they’d been through 50 servers in a year, yet Samy confirmed it was more like 100. Keeping her out of the loop is just so wrong. See, my impression when I watched that scene is that she knew it was way over 50, and her smug attitude towards him when she asked Gordon to confirm was that she was going to say “Oh yeah! You’re WRONG! It’s more like 100! HAH! Wrong!” ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/91 "2013-05-15T17:07:27Z")
I’ve only gotten through 3 minutes of that episode, but holy shit. I understand that there is some editing involved and Gordon is deliberately provocative to create some drama and tension, but damn. It just makes me angry people like this open up a restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/92 "2013-05-15T17:11:03Z")
Wow. It just gets better and better. The owners take the tips? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/93 "2013-05-15T17:28:48Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Wow. It just gets better and better. The owners take the tips? You’ve got to be fucking kidding me. But he does most of the work! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/94 "2013-05-15T17:34:30Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > But he does most of the work! :rolleyes: I just finished that episode. Even as much as I know how my emotions are being manipulated by a TV show, I don’t have any other reaction than “Wow.” I’ve always liked Gordon Ramsey, but this episode makes me love him. ---
**Author:** ![Sally\_Mander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Sally\_Mander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sally_Mander)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/95 "2013-05-15T17:37:59Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > See, my impression when I watched that scene is that she knew it was way over 50, and her smug attitude towards him when she asked Gordon to confirm was that she was going to say “Oh yeah! You’re WRONG! It’s more like 100! HAH! Wrong!” Yeah, you’re probably right. There’s no way Amy could be unaware of how many servers they’d been through. She has to realize that there’s a constant stream of new servers. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > If you’re such hot shit why are you working for min. wage and no tips, huh?) but I cannot believe that asking “Are you sure?” was nasty and viperish. If that’s how Amy reacts to a simple question, I can totally buy that their turnover is mostly firings. IIRC, Katie had only been working there for a month or so. I’m sure the “no tip” thing didn’t come up in the interview, and by then she figured she’d stick it out till she found a better job. And no, her asking “Are you sure?” was not nasty at all. Amy said a certain dish was for table 1, then said table 2, then changed back to table 1 again. Katie was just confirming if she had the right table, and Amy blew up at her. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/96 "2013-05-15T17:38:36Z")
I’ve never watched the show, but why on earth would any business owner want to be on it? Has the show ever helped turn a business around? ---
**Author:** ![Shoujin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoujin/32/3884_2.png) [@Shoujin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoujin)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/97 "2013-05-15T17:43:36Z")
I found the yelp commentary absolutely hilarious, especially the 4 star from one guy [who obsessed about neckbeards in the majority of his review](http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=gmbq8Acji0JWQejk5BJH1w): > [@](#): > > There is nothing worse than a GOD DAMN NECKBEARD ruining a meal because they stink up the place, or have nasty body oder, or have a big mouth, and run that mouth about politics they know nothing about. Or the worst of all, is seeing them scramble around on the floor under a table looking for an outlet, because they have to connect their stupid smart device. Nobody wants to see your pasty, oily, furry, back fat rolls! It is bad enough to actually see the grease stains on their head phones, when they listen to that crappy dubstep rubbish. And I don’t want to hear about your conspiracy theories, Just STFU and get the F\*K out of here. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/98 "2013-05-15T17:45:16Z")
**madmonk** : A few. You can find the (low) success rate by Googling the usual terms you’d guess. Most of the people on this show are deeply delusional about their restaurant’s food quality, cleanliness, and general appeal, and are so deep in the hole that I doubt much short of a major fucking wake-up call and rehiring all new staff (and owners) would work at times. ---
**Author:** ![Sally\_Mander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Sally\_Mander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sally_Mander)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/99 "2013-05-15T17:45:30Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > They both admitted to being control freaks. I assume that was the factor. I wonder if Ramsay would have been able to convince them to let the servers put in their own orders on the POS. Neither of them seemed to realize just how much it slowed down the entire ordering process. And Samy didn’t exactly look like he was very proficient with it. There was one shot of a server standing there reading off an order while he did a “hunt and peck” style of input. No wonder it takes over an hour to get a pizza! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/100 "2013-05-15T17:58:50Z")
The thing about the “no tips” policy is that they didn’t tell the customers about the policy. Had they done so, that would be one thing. But not telling customers and then taking the tips is cheating the wait staff and possibly illegal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341.md?page=6)