# Epic facebook meltdown from Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2013, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341 "2013-05-14T19:14:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/161 "2013-05-16T22:59:15Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Sure. You can “forget” to put things on the ticket, and once they’re paid for that cash goes into your pocket, for one (something like this occurred that we saw). There are other ways to screw with it too. Just the fact that there’s no oversight and no one but Samy ever sees the books and they have so much turnover leaves plenty of room to fiddle with the numbers. Who would know? Yeah. I worked at a place where there was a second cash register that would be used for the first hour or so of business. The understanding was that those receipts were kept completely off the books and the income would thus be underreported for the day by a few hundred dollars. I assume the amount was minimal enough for any official agency not to notice, but enough to make it worthwhile for the owners to do it. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/162 "2013-05-16T23:03:06Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > After watching the show and the aftermath, I couldn’t believe the owners thought that it would go well:😕 I was still talking to my husband about it two days later. It reminds me of a certain chef/ owner here, who scolded me on Yelp. > > Are Amy /Sammy Israeli ? I thought I heard some Arabic. ( in between the swearing) Amy is in complete and total denial and is enabled by Sammy who keeps bad things from her. Sammy obviously wanted help, he is the money man and has to see the business is failing and understand why. He didn’t have the balls to deal with Amy, he wanted Ramsay to do it. You can tell from the show, he is constantly telling her “lets listen to him”, “lets let him finish”, etc. He wanted Ramsay to fix her because he can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/163 "2013-05-16T23:26:34Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > … > ETA: I don’t watch a lot of t.v. In surfing once, I saw a show called Hotel Hell. It was also a Ramsey show. The episode focused on a couple where the man had sold everything to buy an old schoolhouse and turn it into a B&B. He lived in some immature and somewhat meanspirited universe where his wife’s dreams and needs were severely marginalized and where he gloried in feeding his own ego more than the guests who wanted a good breakfast. By the end of the show, Ramsey broke him. People don’t abandon an adult lifetime’s behavior patterns just because a star came through the door and on national television pointed them out. But this fellow was in love with his wife as much as with his dream, and it took a thorough shaking up to realize that. I got the manipulation and game being played- but this guy, he was shaken at the idea of losing his marriage. More than losing the B&B. Did they make it work? No clue. I should go digging to find out. But at least in that case, the kernel of human goodness existed. Ramsey did what he could to help them out, he truly did pull together some quick and strong ideas. > … I think this is the B&B you are referring to: > **[\*\*\* Coeur d'Alene Inn \*\*\* Downtown Boutique Hotel, Historic School House](https://www.therooseveltinn.com)** > > Indulge in a romantic Coeur d'Alene Idaho inn offering historic elegance & unparalleled service. Beautiful weddings & a romantic getaway. I used to live in Coeur d’ Alene, so I watched that particular episode. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/164 "2013-05-17T00:40:35Z")
This restaurant is around 4 miles from my house. I was talking with a friend at the gym this morning, and he said that his son went over to the restaurant to see what all the fuss was about (I heard from someone else that they have been MOBBED recently), and one of the local news stations was filming a segment on the owners. The guy took out his cell phone to take a photo, and Sammy came over and started to cuss him out, and the news station went right on filming, and actually aired it on TV… I’ve never eaten there. My wife and I always thought they were too pricey for the menu. ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/165 "2013-05-17T01:05:27Z")
How much is too much for badly cooked frozen ravioli ?? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_I\_Am](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e495f1/32.png) [@Sam\_I\_Am](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_I_Am)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/166 "2013-05-17T01:27:21Z")
Geez, that woman has a serious personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![Patch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/167 "2013-05-17T01:28:59Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > how would it benefit a money laundering operation to appear on tv? If Amy’s batshit crazy and thinks her food is good, maybe she’s nuts enough to think it’s a way to drum up business and process more money laundering? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/168 "2013-05-17T02:00:49Z")
The first question I would ask is, “What kind of baker wears black?” > [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > It’s probably not fair, but the waitress said she had plenty of experience, so why was shhe slumming it there? I am not sure if confiscating the tips was their evilest thing or firing the girl for no good reason. I am going to say the former because that girl who got fired actually should be happy. > [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > Do you understand that the economy isn’t doing well, and some people have a very difficult time finding jobs? Some places won’t even hire a person who is out of work; they only hire people who already have jobs. And with the job market so bad, many people are waiting tables who wouldn’t have in the past, making it that much harder for servers to get a job. Yup. A little over seven years ago, I accepted a job washing dishes, despite the fact that, at the time, I had more than 22 years of experience in restaurants, almost all as a cook. Because I needed a damn job, and it was the bad time of year trying to find a restaurant job in my area so nobody was hiring. I kept washing the dishes for two and half years (worth it - union job, health plan, 401k, and paid vacations, and thanks to all the overtime and my share of the gratuities, I made more money those two & 1/2 years than I ever did in a similar period working as a cook elsewhere), and finally got back to cooking when one of the cooks left. > [@Neidhart](#): > > I wonder how old Katy is. She looks about 13. We have a new server here at the convention center who looks younger than my not-quite-15 niece. She’s 20. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/169 "2013-05-17T02:18:05Z")
There exist union protected restaurant jobs in the USA? Never heard of that before. Wow. That’s generally an industry in my experience that tries to do everything it can to avoid such associations. But I haven’t worked in restaurants everywhere, just in VA, OH, KY and IN, so…maybe things are different elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/170 "2013-05-17T02:31:24Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > There exist union protected restaurant jobs in the USA? Never heard of that before. Wow. That’s generally an industry in my experience that tries to do everything it can to avoid such associations. But I haven’t worked in restaurants everywhere, just in VA, OH, KY and IN, so…maybe things are different elsewhere. Technically, I work for a hotel. The hotel has a restaurant, and also contracts to provide staff for the city convention center next door. My union: [http://www.unitehere.org](http://www.unitehere.org) But yeah, there _are_ restaurants and bars that are union shops. ---
**Author:** ![DummyGladHands](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/49beb7/32.png) [@DummyGladHands](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DummyGladHands)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/171 "2013-05-17T02:48:14Z")
The local news here in Phx. says they’re holding a new grand re-opening this weekend so everyone can see how wrong they are. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/172 "2013-05-17T04:15:53Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > The local news here in Phx. says they’re holding a new grand re-opening this weekend so everyone can see how wrong they are. I bet Amy has depleted the inventory of bakeries for hundreds of miles around Scottsdale, then. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/173 "2013-05-17T04:18:50Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > I bet Amy has depleted the inventory of bakeries for hundreds of miles around Scottsdale, then. No, she clearly stated that the baked goods were made on premises by her. She’s not given me any reason to disbelieve that claim. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/174 "2013-05-17T04:23:23Z")
I believed her claim that she baked too until I saw the post about the “party” she threw with details about how she decided what to serve and how she created her lovely platters and baked goods with beautiful pictures of the food she “created”-all stolen from other sites. I’m still waiting for Martha Stewart Enterprises to realize she stole from them. Somehow, I get the idea that Ms. Stewart would not be too pleased. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/175 "2013-05-17T04:42:38Z")
From their apparent new facebook page: > [@](#): > > “Yes Ive had a felony, yes ive made mistakes. But Ive changed, that isn’t who I am anymore. STOP BRINGING IT UP! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING HERE!! THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY BUSINESS WITH GREAT SERVICE AND EXCEPTIONAL FOOD!” > [@](#): > > You say we stole images. This is lie. I made all these pictures. When we were hacked the hacker stole our photo from website and facebook pages, then posted to other internet sites and put fake dates on them. This is why some images you think we ‘stole’ say 2007 or 2005 on other websites. If somebody is actually posting this on a fake facebook page I give them a lot of credit for reproducing the crazy so well. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/176 "2013-05-17T08:16:03Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > In a weird way I really, really want to go to that restaurant. Try the [smoked chickenfish](http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/amys-baking-company-scottsdale?select=7xkaB5ulsH-GQKeUmqLJ9g#yBbCHtd6Vh5pQ5B1MJaxMw). ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/177 "2013-05-17T09:06:21Z")
So yeah, that was … interesting. Amy has about the scariest eyes I’ve ever seen. A question: close to the end of the final confrontation, right before Gordon Ramsey tells them he’s not going to continue working with them, Amy turns to Sammy and says, “Can we talk about what we came here to speak about, please?” What do you think she meant? She had already talked about how attacked they’ve been and how the food is really great no matter what anyone (_including Gordon Ramsey_) says, and how everything is everyone else’s fault, so what was left? Damn. I mean, those were some serious Bride of Frankenstein eyes. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/178 "2013-05-17T10:06:33Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Try the [smoked chickenfish](http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/amys-baking-company-scottsdale?select=7xkaB5ulsH-GQKeUmqLJ9g#yBbCHtd6Vh5pQ5B1MJaxMw). [Some kind of Hindu cake celebrating the Goose God of fertility.](http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/amys-baking-company-scottsdale?select=7xkaB5ulsH-GQKeUmqLJ9g#NwAyRLvSQTfLAxotT8fPjg) ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/179 "2013-05-17T11:06:13Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > No, she clearly stated that the baked goods were made on premises by her. She’s not given me any reason to disbelieve that claim. There are plenty of clues—the large number of desserts in the display case, the small kitchen, the fact that no one was there early in the morning, Amy’s inability to cook simple dishes, the lying about the ravioli, etc. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341/180 "2013-05-17T12:15:25Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I believed her claim that she baked too until I saw the post about the “party” she threw with details about how she decided what to serve and how she created her lovely platters and baked goods with beautiful pictures of the food she “created”-all stolen from other sites. I’m still waiting for Martha Stewart Enterprises to realize she stole from them. Somehow, I get the idea that Ms. Stewart would not be too pleased. > [@Acsenray](#): > > There are plenty of clues—the large number of desserts in the display case, the small kitchen, the fact that no one was there early in the morning, Amy’s inability to cook simple dishes, the lying about the ravioli, etc. Whoosh. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epic-facebook-meltdown-from-gordon-ramseys-kitchen-nightmares/658341.md?page=10)