# Episode III: The Revenge of the Sith **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2004, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734 "2004-07-24T23:06:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/21 "2004-07-25T16:56:01Z")
> [@Mr. Blue Sky](#): > > So was _Revenge of the Jedi_ at one time. You don’t think ol’ Georgie will change this, do you? The movie title is “Return of the Jedi”. It has always been “Return of the Jedi”. Greedo shot first. Greedo has always shot first. ---
**Author:** ![Kantalooppi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a5b964/32.png) [@Kantalooppi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kantalooppi)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/22 "2004-07-25T17:55:03Z")
The obvious problem with this title is, of course, that (at least I) inevitably pronounce it as “Revenge of the Shit.” ---
**Author:** ![Murcielago](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@Murcielago](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murcielago)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/23 "2004-07-25T19:41:18Z")
“Revenge of the Shit” is a possibility, though using the abbreviation _Star Wars: ROTS_ may be a more popular dig at the title. > [@bienville](#): > > So now I’m wondering if I should watch the Clone Wars cartoon series. Is this series considered EU? Or do we think that it will prove to be good back-story info for Ep.III? Has anyone here watched any of the cartoon series? Don’t recall much plot or character develoment in _Clone Wars_, it worked as a collection of action shorts rather than a narrative IMO. It does show Anakin as an arrogant bad-ass instead of a whiny douchebag, which was a welcome change. IIRC the General Grievous character, supposedly a big player in the next movie, appears in the last installment. ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/24 "2004-07-25T20:01:38Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > The story I’ve always heard is that Lucas was going to use _Revenge_until numerous fans pointed out that revenge was against the code of the Jedi, so Lucas slapped Return in the title. I’ve heard, too, that the working title for _Star Trek II_ – originally slated to be called _The Vengeance of Khan_ – had something to do with the change as well… ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/25 "2004-07-25T23:22:46Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > The movie title is “Return of the Jedi”. It has always been “Return of the Jedi”. > > Greedo shot first. Greedo has always shot first. but are these the droids I’m looking for? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/26 "2004-07-25T23:29:48Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > I can’t say for sure about the posters, though I have been told that they were printed, but I’ve seen the badges that say “Revenge”. I had a _Revenge of the Jedi_ poster. Like all of my posters, it ended up covered in dart-holes. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/27 "2004-07-25T23:38:40Z")
What did Princess Leia get when she let Darth vader? A massive dose of the Sith! ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/28 "2004-07-25T23:51:33Z")
> [@Kantalooppi](#): > > The obvious problem with this title is, of course, that (at least I) inevitably pronounce it as “Revenge of the Shit.” Ha! [Beat you to it!!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5102236&postcount=35) ---
**Author:** ![Eats\_Crayons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/278dde/32.png) [@Eats\_Crayons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eats_Crayons)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/29 "2004-07-26T01:08:38Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > You sure about that? I remember the local theater showing title cards when I was a kid that said _Revenge of the Jedi_ before movies and they continued to do this even after Lucas had announced that the title was being changed to _Return of the Jedi_. The story I’ve always heard is that Lucas was going to use _Revenge_until numerous fans pointed out that revenge was against the code of the Jedi, so Lucas slapped Return in the title. Back in the 80s I knew some film crew guys and FX designers who actually worked on _Return of the Jedi_ they have bona fide _Revenge_ t-shirts. Apparently it was supposed to be a red herring, (since everyone was pretty confident stuff would be leaked.) The “revenge” titles was supposed to mislead everyone to thinking that the theme would be about Luke Skywalker coming back (from getting his ass kicked in ESB) as a much more formidable, Jedi and kick serious empire butt – the _real_ theme was about Vader’s redemption. “Revenge” was to get everyone thinking that the Jedi in question was Luke, when it was really Anakin. It wasn’t an “oh, I changed my mind…” kind of thing. From what I was told, the first title was deliberately intended to mislead the public. The ILM guys I knew had their “offical” _Revenge_ t-shirts on when I was onset (for a different, non-Star Wars movie) and I asked them about it. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/30 "2004-07-26T07:46:27Z")
My best friend back in the day was a member of the official Star Wars fan club. Got a regular newletter, “Bantha Tracks,” and a few months before Jedi opened, they sent him a “Revenge of the Jedi” patch. Two years later, he was very chuffed to have sold it for, IIRC, $20. If he ever commits suicide, that $20 is probably going to featured prominently in the note. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/31 "2004-07-26T13:27:46Z")
> [@Tuckerfan](#): > > You sure about that? I remember the local theater showing title cards when I was a kid that said _Revenge of the Jedi_ before movies and they continued to do this even after Lucas had announced that the title was being changed to _Return of the Jedi_. The story I’ve always heard is that Lucas was going to use _Revenge_until numerous fans pointed out that revenge was against the code of the Jedi, so Lucas slapped Return in the title. Perhaps. But whatever the history, the titles of III and VI now have a nice symmetry. The Sith’s revenge is undone by the return of the Jedi. The Sith backstory would be nice to hear. Perhaps a quick flashback like the Smeagol/ Deagol scene in “Return of the King”? A narration that ties it in to the events of the Clone Wars for those “just tuning in”? It could work. ---
**Author:** ![paulberserker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@paulberserker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulberserker)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/32 "2004-07-26T13:51:55Z")
I seem to remeber a documentary on ROTJ where Lucas and crew were all wearing ‘Blue Harvest’ caps and t-shirts, to disguise the fact they were making Jedi, pretending it was a horror film or summat. Still, its not bad as a title. As **Twistoffate** said in my NADS thread on this, Rise of the Empire would have been even better. Mace Windu best go out in a blaze of glory too, just to redeem Lucas a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![BlackNGold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@BlackNGold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackNGold)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/33 "2004-07-26T22:28:43Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > My best friend back in the day was a member of the official Star Wars fan club. Got a regular newletter, “Bantha Tracks,” and a few months before Jedi opened, they sent him a “Revenge of the Jedi” patch. OMG, Bantha Tracks! Lord, I had forgotten all about that. Hell, I used to get that back in the day. Any goodies got thrown away in the meantime, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734/34 "2004-07-26T23:33:05Z")
All I ask is that it not suck quite so stupendously hard as the last two. Y’know, I could even settle for plain old good clean bad fun MST3k style at this point. “Attack of the Clones” was a rotten title for a painfully, hideously, almost awesomely bad flick. Seriously, AotC has got to be one of my all-time biggest movie disappointments (don’t even get me started on the Matrix seq’s, as I didn’t bother to see the third, the second blew so incredibly). I just sat there in excruciating bewilderment at how a film with such magnificent visuals could also contain such gut-wrenchingly awful acting, and have such a vomitously putrid script…just…just mind-blowingly, Edvard Munch’s Screamingly BAD. There’s nowhere to go but up, George…or…_is there_? :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/episode-iii-the-revenge-of-the-sith/256734.md?page=1)