# Epstein & Hillary
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [January 6, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086 "2015-01-06T01:44:20Z")
**Posts on this page:** 18
**Page:** 5
### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/81 "2015-01-09T20:34:59Z")
> [@Waymore](#):
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> Wow, you’re Hillary’s knight in shining armor. Bully for you. Hope that works out well for you.
That sort of slop probably works a lot better in a newspaper comment thread than on the Dope.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/82 "2015-01-09T20:41:11Z")
> [@Waymore](#):
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> Clinton took trips to Epsteins home, where a lot of the crimes took place, between 2002 & 2005, a period when he was committing these crimes.
Wow, that’s all you’ve got? That’s all there is that ties the Clintons to this ‘scandal’?
_If that’s all there is, my friend, then let’s keep on dancing,
let’s break out the booze and have a ball…_
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/83 "2015-01-09T21:00:28Z")
> [@Waymore](#):
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> No, I’m saying that by all available evidence, Cosby is a scumbag. But, it’s all based off he said/she said in the media. Yet, nobody has trouble condeming him.
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> Epstein is a convicted sex offender. Clinton knows this, yet hangs out with him. Folks in this thread dismiss that as if it’s nothing. You don’t see the flaw in that?
And do you honestly not understand the difference between somebody who has been accused of committing rape and somebody who knows somebody that that has been accused of committing rape?
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/84 "2015-01-09T21:04:34Z")
> [@Waymore](#):
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> Epstein is a convicted sex offender. Clinton knows this, yet hangs out with him. Folks in this thread dismiss that as if it’s nothing. You don’t see the flaw in that?
See post #13.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/85 "2015-01-10T00:13:20Z")
> [@Waymore](#):
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> Wow, you’re Hillary’s knight in shining armor. Bully for you. Hope that works out well for you.
And I hope your next thread based on a Daily Mail “news” story works out better.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/86 "2015-01-10T03:01:59Z")
> [@Ravenman](#):
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> And I hope your next thread based on a Daily Mail “news” story works out better.
It’s the dirty story of a dirty man
And his clinging wife doesn’t understand
His son is working for the _Daily Mail_
It’s a steady job but he wants to be a paperback writer
Paperback writer
Paperback writer
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### Author:  [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/87 "2015-01-10T09:14:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> No way is this story going to lose Hillary a single vote that might otherwise have gone to her. The only people who care about it are those who would sooner vote for a rotting dog carcass than a Democrat, less said of them the better.
Uh-huh. Since apparently “Democrat” means “Clinton fan” now, you know what, you’re right! I don’t want to be in a party which not only welcomes them but adores them. The Clintons are terrible people in general, and they have used up their fifteen minutes.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/88 "2015-01-10T11:06:38Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Uh-huh. Since apparently “Democrat” means “Clinton fan” now, you know what, you’re right! I don’t want to be in a party which not only welcomes them but adores them. The Clintons are terrible people in general, and they have used up their fifteen minutes.
Oh, lordy.
I’m still waiting for you (or anyone else) to explain exactly why we should be disgusted with the Clintons on account of ‘this’, especially when I pointed out in post #66 that neither you nor anyone else has explained what ‘this’ is.
**Waymore** ’s best shot was “Clinton took trips to Epsteins home, where a lot of the crimes took place, between 2002 & 2005, a period when he was committing these crimes.” Got anything better? Put up or shut up.
And in general, I’m not the world’s biggest Hillary fan (anyone who says “[Henry Kissinger is a friend of mine](http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2014/06/hillary-henry-kissinger-is-a-friend-of-mine.html)” anywhere near this late date can count on my _not_ being in their fan club), but can we go after her (or Bill) over real rather than imaginary stuff?
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/89 "2015-01-10T12:41:34Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#):
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> Uh-huh. Since apparently “Democrat” means “Clinton fan” now, you know what, you’re right! I don’t want to be in a party which not only welcomes them but adores them. The Clintons are terrible people in general, and they have used up their fifteen minutes.
Assuming you’re not channeling Colbert here, now I have to object. The Clintons are um, different, and they lie really easily, but one reason the public tolerates them is that we’re familiar with the extent of their immorality and they aren’t likely to exceed it. As a political couple, they have real accomplishments and have arguably been less dishonest than the last two Presidents. Bush lied us into war, Obama lied us out of our health insurance. What’s Hillary going to lie us into, a balanced budget? Eight years of peace and prosperity?
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/90 "2015-01-10T16:51:54Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> Obama lied us out of our health insurance.
“Out of”?? Between mid-2013 and the end of 2014, the percentage of American adults without health insurance [dropped from 18% to 12.9%](http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/01/chart-day-obamacare-just-keeps-working-and-working-and-working). Fewer people are uninsured now than before the crash.
> [@](#):
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> What’s Hillary going to lie us into, a balanced budget? Eight years of peace and prosperity?
Reminds me of [this classic](http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-our-long-national-nightmare-of-peace-and-pros,464/).
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/91 "2015-01-11T04:19:03Z")
Obama said we could keep our insurance if we liked it. We can’t, actually, if it doesn’t comply with regulations which his administration wrote, using pretty vast discretion. The law authorized them to pretty much allow anyone to keep their insurance. They intentionally chose to make sure people lost their insurance. It was a promise the President never intended to keep.
He lied.
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### Author:  [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/92 "2015-01-11T05:12:40Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> Obama said we could keep our insurance if we liked it. We can’t, actually, if it doesn’t comply with regulations which his administration wrote, using pretty vast discretion. The law authorized them to pretty much allow anyone to keep their insurance. They intentionally chose to make sure people lost their insurance. It was a promise the President never intended to keep.
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> He lied.
Oh, whatever, like market conditions don’t end up changing insurance offers anyway.
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/93 "2015-01-11T06:40:47Z")
That’s understood. However, many lost their plans or had to upgrade them due to regulations. That wasn’t the deal he made with us.
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### Author:  [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/94 "2015-01-11T12:30:46Z")
And yet another thread becomes an Adaher rant about Obama.
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/95 "2015-01-11T13:47:43Z")
More like, “adaher makes a comment about Obama(and GWB) as a comparison to Clinton and posters have to defend Obama’s honor even though it’s not the subject of this thread”.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/96 "2015-01-11T14:32:31Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> Obama said we could keep our insurance if we liked it. We can’t, actually, if it doesn’t comply with regulations which his administration wrote, using pretty vast discretion. The law authorized them to pretty much allow anyone to keep their insurance. They intentionally chose to make sure people lost their insurance. It was a promise the President never intended to keep.
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> He lied.
Most of us can keep our insurance.
Whether he lied or made a mistake, the important thing is that you ensure to make a political point about the honor of a president who won’t be running for office again.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/97 "2015-01-11T14:32:34Z")
No, it is in fact just another reminder that at least 85% of your posts contain a claim that is simply factually wrong. There are plenty of posters here I disagree with on their opinions, but it is remarkable to make so many factual errors in debates.
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### Author:  [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-hillary/709086/98 "2015-01-11T17:02:49Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#):
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> And yet another thread becomes an Adaher rant about Obama.
> [@adaher](#):
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> More like, “adaher makes a comment about Obama(and GWB) as a comparison to Clinton and posters have to defend Obama’s honor even though it’s not the subject of this thread”.
What’s the difference?
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