# Epstein Suicide **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451 "2019-08-10T13:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/21 "2019-08-10T15:29:09Z")
I can’t wait to hear the explanation for how a suspect of such a high profile case, on suicide watch, manages to kill himself without anybody preventing it from happening. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/22 "2019-08-10T15:32:37Z")
How convenient for certain people. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/23 "2019-08-10T15:33:34Z")
This ain’t the Pit, but rot in hell, you bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Hermione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/24 "2019-08-10T15:37:22Z")
The one thing that prevents me from wholeheartedly believing this was a murder: I’m no criminologist, but does it make sense for a murderer to try the same method twice (make-it-look-like-a-suicide) after the first method failed? Wouldn’t a would-be murderer realize that the authorities would be alerted to that kind of method (as, indeed, Epstein was said to be on suicide watch), and try a different one–poison, perhaps? Besides, if the first time were a murder attempt, wouldn’t Epstein have said something about it before this? My guess is it was a legitimate suicide, but given that pedophiles are the lowest order of scum in prisons (not just among the guards, but among the prisoners–even evil has standards), the guards just “happened” to be taking a very long break in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/25 "2019-08-10T15:40:29Z")
> [@Hermione](#): > > in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor. I don’t know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn’t justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Hermione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/26 "2019-08-10T15:45:23Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn’t justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death. Good point. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/27 "2019-08-10T16:02:56Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t know about the rest of the world, but this is not a favor to me. Everybody dies at some time or another. Death isn’t justice. Facing your accusers and seeing the evidence against you exposed to the public—I would want that before his death. Me too. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/28 "2019-08-10T16:19:55Z")
I can’t say how similar my thought processes are to your typical jail guard’s but I would _want_ him to go through the humiliation of a trial, get convicted, then sent to prison where he has to spend years in isolation for fear of being offed as a short eye. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/29 "2019-08-10T16:26:09Z")
I dunno, I was a little worried the double jeopardy defense might have legs, and I’m happy he’s no longer with us. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/30 "2019-08-10T16:26:38Z")
And with his death, we’ve also lost any information he might have shared about _other_ pedophile monsters, and so there are probably some of them who will walk free as a result. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/31 "2019-08-10T16:31:39Z")
On r/jokes (reddit): If you are surprised at the Jeffrey Epstein suicide this morning… Imagine how he must have felt. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/32 "2019-08-10T16:43:18Z")
I’m not one who typically engages in conspiracy thinking but this is fishy. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/33 "2019-08-10T16:53:35Z")
Barring any existing will to the contrary, his brother, who is the sole living immediate relative, will likely inherit the estate and have to deal with all the lawsuits that are certain to follow Epstein’s death. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/34 "2019-08-10T17:15:29Z")
Have we seen the body? Do we know he’s really dead? ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/35 "2019-08-10T17:21:20Z")
I’ve never been so pissed and joyous and fearful at the same time. Fearful of seeing Trump do a happy dance on video. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/36 "2019-08-10T17:27:02Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > I’m not a conspiracy minded guy, but I’m going to need to see some serious evidence that the motherfucker wasn’t “helped”. How do you prove that something didn’t happen? You could have 24hrs footage of him alone in his cell and then killing himself but maybe _maybe_ he was given the instructions on how to make a rope out of cell materials and told his family would be tortured if he didn’t do it! I was reading some older articles and it sounds as though (a) “Suicide watch” is a broad spectrum between someone checking on you every half hour to being strapped to a plastic mattress naked with someone actively staring at you 24hrs a day and (b) suicides while on suicide watch aren’t all that rare to assume that someone had to have assistance. I’d need to hear a lot more details about the watch itself and how he died before giving myself over to assuming that Clinton/Trump baked him a cake with a rope in it. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/37 "2019-08-10T18:10:17Z")
Man, the CT’s are going nuts today. Surprised to see so much of it here. Epstein’ s power and influence finally failed him. He was exposed as a pedophile and was facing the rest of his life doing hard time. People have chosen suicide when faced with far less dire circumstances. I bitch about this board sometimes, but I do generally admire the skeptical attitude and evidence based reasoning that goes on here. Let’s not lose sight of that. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/38 "2019-08-10T18:29:05Z")
> [@Hermione](#): > > My guess is it was a legitimate suicide, but given that pedophiles are the lowest order of scum in prisons (not just among the guards, but among the prisoners–even evil has standards), the guards just “happened” to be taking a very long break in the hope that Epstein would do the world a favor. My thought is that if there was any sort of outside help, it consisted of bribing guards to be conveniently inattentive if he should attempt suicide again. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/39 "2019-08-10T18:35:41Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > Have we seen the body? Do we know he’s really dead? Spoilered for those that don’t want to see a dead body. [Here ya go](https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1160187277290745858/photo/1). ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/40 "2019-08-10T18:39:28Z")
I read he was no longer on suicide watch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=3)