# Epstein Suicide **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451 "2019-08-10T13:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/41 "2019-08-10T18:57:56Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > My thought is that if there was any sort of outside help, it consisted of bribing guards to be conveniently inattentive if he should attempt suicide again. Yeah, follow the money. Some of the workers on his estate seem to have come forward, so they might be able to pursue this further. But it’s damn convenient for the rich sickos. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/42 "2019-08-10T18:58:29Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > I bitch about this board sometimes, but I do generally admire the skeptical attitude and evidence based reasoning that goes on here. Let’s not lose sight of that. FWIW, my rhetorical style tends to be hyperbolic – and it’s easy to keep a straight face on a message board. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/43 "2019-08-10T19:05:35Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > On r/jokes (reddit): > > If you are surprised at the Jeffrey Epstein suicide this morning… > > Imagine how he must have felt. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/44 "2019-08-10T19:16:43Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And with his death, we’ve also lost any information he might have shared about _other_ pedophile monsters, and so there are probably some of them who will walk free as a result. Actually this is not entirely correct. Epstein’s death does in fact end the criminal complaint against him. However, it doesn’t end the civil case against his estate. Cold comfort, but there are fat pickings to be had for his victims. Even more interesting, Epstein’s death effectively ends any possible 4th amendment challenge to search warrants executed against him. Nobody else has any standing to challenge. True, Epstein can no longer be a star witness against anybody, but at least the state can paw through his $80 million house for dirt on whoever they want, and then sell it for victim compensation. That’s something. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/45 "2019-08-10T19:16:50Z")
Jeffrey lead such a rich and privileged life. I’m sure the specter of prison had to be overwhelming. His guilt so blatant that a cadre of high dollar lawyers couldn’t help. A quick death is far better than decades in prison. Jeffrey made the right decision for himself and any remaining family. A trial would have been drawn out and sensationalized. Vulgar entertainment for the masses and profit for the mass media. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/46 "2019-08-10T19:22:44Z")
> [@Kron](#): > > On r/jokes (reddit): > > If you are surprised at the Jeffrey Epstein suicide this morning… > > Imagine how he must have felt. Re-stolen. > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I read he was no longer on suicide watch. Well, not anymore. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/47 "2019-08-10T19:28:06Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Man, the CT’s are going nuts today. Surprised to see so much of it here… People have chosen suicide when faced with far less dire circumstances. Do you find it so surprising? Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide. The circumstantial evidence is pretty strong. I don’t think anybody directly killed him. But it wouldn’t take much to have the guards take him off suicide watch and tell him he may as well do it because he’s not getting any outside help. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/48 "2019-08-10T19:32:24Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Do you find it so surprising? > > Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide. The circumstantial evidence is pretty strong. > > I don’t think anybody directly killed him. But it wouldn’t take much to have the guards take him off suicide watch and tell him he may as well do it because he’s not getting any outside help. People kill themselves in prison all the time. Plenty of people aren’t on suicide watch who should be. I’m not saying your theory is impossible, I just want to see some evidence for it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/49 "2019-08-10T19:32:28Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Epstein had dirt on powerful people. He had reason to commit suicide (as you said). He even attempted suicide last week. Yet he was taken off suicide watch, whereupon he then committed suicide. Where’d he get the gun and the single bullet? 😕 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/50 "2019-08-10T19:47:18Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Jeffrey lead such a rich and privileged life. I’m sure the specter of prison had to be overwhelming. If by “specter” you mean “[mural](https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epstein-prison-scene-painting-new-york-mansion-2019-7)”… ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/51 "2019-08-10T20:04:06Z")
NYT says he was off suicide watch [four days ago](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/10/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-watch.html) ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/52 "2019-08-10T20:41:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Jeffrey lead such a rich and privileged life. You two were on a first name basis? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/53 "2019-08-10T20:50:04Z")
Jeff is a friend of a friend. Prince Andrew and I go way back to our days flying helicopters in the Falklands. We felt Invincible in those days. 😃 Maybe in another lifetime. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/54 "2019-08-10T20:51:05Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Man, the CT’s are going nuts today. Surprised to see so much of it here. > > Epstein’ s power and influence finally failed him. He was exposed as a pedophile and was facing the rest of his life doing hard time. People have chosen suicide when faced with far less dire circumstances. > > I bitch about this board sometimes, but I do generally admire the skeptical attitude and evidence based reasoning that goes on here. Let’s not lose sight of that. Good try, but evidence-based reasoning goes out the window when one’s worldview demands [conspirators](https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-dead-in-manhattan-correctional-center-reports). Loony right-wing sites are blaming Clinton, loony lefties are pointing at Trump, “wealthy associates” or the Russians. Personally, I gotta go with the theory that Epstein faked his death, and is now living it up at a secret Trump International Beach Resort in Nicaragua. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/55 "2019-08-10T21:01:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Where’d he get the gun and the single bullet? :confused Barney Fife ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/56 "2019-08-10T21:12:01Z")
Swingers gonna swing, huh? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/57 "2019-08-10T21:21:17Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > How do you prove that something didn’t happen? You could have 24hrs footage of him alone in his cell and then killing himself but maybe _maybe_ he was given the instructions on how to make a rope out of cell materials and told his family would be tortured if he didn’t do it! > > I was reading some older articles and it sounds as though (a) “Suicide watch” is a broad spectrum between someone checking on you every half hour to being strapped to a plastic mattress naked with someone actively staring at you 24hrs a day and (b) suicides while on suicide watch aren’t all that rare to assume that someone had to have assistance. I’d need to hear a lot more details about the watch itself and how he died before giving myself over to assuming that Clinton/Trump baked him a cake with a rope in it. Not to mention would Clinton _really_ benefit from his demise? Bluntly put, while Bill seems to have benefitted from knowing him [catching rides on his plane, parties, not sure what else] Bill is firmly out of politics and unless he somehow was involved at the ‘also get sent to the slammer as an accomplice’ there really is nothing more that will happen to him, and Hilary is probably also done with politics unless a future government wants her to become something like an ambassador or judge or whatever. Seems like Trump is the one benefitting from his death. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/58 "2019-08-10T21:29:54Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I’m seeing a FB meme posted by a (former?) Doper that says Clinton had him killed. A far-left friend says Clinton did it. To what end? How does that make sense? Trump is the one who benefits from Epstein’s death. Anytime anyone who has ever been mentioned in the same sentence with the Clintons dies suddenly, some right wing whack-a-doodles will immediately spread the theory that the Clintons had him/her killed. No matter how tenuous the tie, no matter if no tie exists, the Clintons are responsible for every mysterious death. That’s just how that crowd rolls. The world is a better place for the loss of Epstein. I’m surprised he didn’t flee months ago to some nation with no extradition treaty with the US. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/59 "2019-08-10T21:32:35Z")
Whitey Bulger did it. He faked his own murder in prison so he could go undercover and nail Epstein. Who’s going to look for a dead man? The perfect crime. 😉 But was he working for the FBI or was he double crossing them (again)? BTW: There’s been mention that if couldn’t be murder as it was too risky, the “authorities” would find out too easily, yadda yadda. Um, the prison brass, regardless of what actually happened, are going to be extremely keen on calling it a suicide and walking away from it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2019, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/60 "2019-08-10T22:11:33Z")
Is there really anyone (except maybe Epstein himself) who benefits from his death? From previous news reports, it sounds like authorities are already in possession of his blackmail material. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=4)