# Epstein Suicide **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451 "2019-08-10T13:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/141 "2019-08-16T02:16:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > All I said was that the manner of death is at present undetermined. You’re putting words in my mouth to assert I’ve said anything else. I have simply chosen to not blindly accept the representations of a man who has lied to us about pretty important stuff in the past. Then take the word of the FBI, the medical examiner, and the staff who’ve admitted that it was a colossal screwups. > [@](#): > > We don’t even know that Epstein attempted suicide once already. Being found with neck injuries consistent with self-inflicted hanging in a solitary unit is evidence of attempted suicide. > [@](#): > > I’ve heard conflicting reports about it, indicating he 1) either attempted suicide or 2) was attacked. Source for what you “heard”? > [@](#): > > If he attempted suicide once already, why was he given ample time to attempt it again? Why was he left alone in his cell, when it was contrary to their own protocol? Asked and answered. His lawyers requested he be taken off watch, and the guards have admitted to slacking off. > [@](#): > > You said lots of people have to be “in on” such a plan. I don’t think that the “prison warden, most of the staff and the Department of Justice” must be involved. You’ve thrown all those folks in there to make it look like exploring other scenarios is wacky. You posit the existence of an outside interloper entering a maximum security facility, accessing a solitary unit, manually asphyxiating a man, staging a suicide, and leaving without any witnesses or records of his presence. This is comparable to asserting that nobody noticed bombs were being planted in the World Trade Center. > [@](#): > > Most of the staff"? Who, besides the one person who killed him? And why does it have to be a prison guard? You don’t think there are inmates who wouldn’t be pleased to kill him for nothing if they were given the chance? Hoe does an inmate get into someone else’s solitary unit? > [@](#): > > As for the whole Department of Justice… really? How about just one person who runs the whole institution, knows what may be at risk and to whom, and has the power to manipulate the system in such a way as to create favorable conditions? You’d think that one person would know that Epstein dying would _ensure_ any evidence Epstein had wouldn’t be subject to Fourth Amendment scrutiny. If the intent was to kill Epstein and make it look like a suicide, why would it be done in such a way that leaves such blatant points of “evidence”? Why not ensure that all the watch records were up to date, the guards had their stories straight, and the autopsy report was concise and unquestioning? You may as well assert that Epstein was a crisis actor. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/142 "2019-08-16T02:19:08Z")
I’m not the only one asking questions, by the way. [Here](https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/democrats.judiciary.house.gov/files/documents/Joint%20Nadler%20and%20Collins%20letter%20to%20BOP%20re%20Epstein%208.12.19.pdf) is the text of the letter sent from the House Judiciary Committee to the Acting Director of the Bureau of Prisons posing 23 questions to be answered. Please note it is jointly signed by both the Chairman and the Ranking Member of the Minority. Not really the same thing as a “truther” CT, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/143 "2019-08-16T02:24:36Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m not the only one asking questions, by the way. Sorry, I didn’t realize you were Just Asking Questions. Carry on, then. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/144 "2019-08-16T02:41:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Then take the word of the FBI, the medical examiner, and the staff who’ve admitted that it was a colossal screwups. Your source for the word of the FBI? If you have such information, by all means link to it. The medical examiner has not yet issued any formal ruling re cause of death. Your source for the staff who’ve “admitted” that it was a colossal screw up? Again, if you have such information, linking to it would be helpful. > [@Smapti](#): > > Being found with neck injuries consistent with self-inflicted hanging in a solitary unit is evidence of attempted suicide. The neck injuries are not entirely consistent with self-inflicted hanging. Hence the ‘undetermined’ designation by the medical examiner to date. You seem to want to conveniently ignore this. > [@Smapti](#): > > Source for what you “heard”? It was on the news. Sorry you missed hearing it. But [here you go](https://lawofficer.com/news/official-says-epstein-feared-hulking-ex-cop-charged-multiple-murders-cellmate/). > [@Smapti](#): > > Asked and answered. His lawyers requested he be taken off watch, and the guards have admitted to slacking off. Lawyers don’t determine whether an inmate is taken off suicide watch. There is a protocol for making this determination, irrespective of what the lawyers requested. I’m sure the guards did slack. Was it known they did this? Was it a regular occurrence? And if so, apparently they _did_ get away with falsifying records for some time, didn’t they? > [@Smapti](#): > > You posit the existence of an outside interloper entering a maximum security facility, accessing a solitary unit, manually asphyxiating a man, staging a suicide, and leaving without any witnesses or records of his presence. This is comparable to asserting that nobody noticed bombs were being planted in the World Trade Center. Nope. Where did I ever invoke an “outside interloper?” Now you’re just making stuff up. One sympathetic guard is all it would take. > [@Smapti](#): > > Hoe does an inmate get into someone else’s solitary unit? It’s unlikely and I readily admit that. But my ‘most likely scenario’ doesn’t involve direct murder. I have maintained ad nauseam that I believe Esptein most likely died by his own hand, his suicidal tendencies deliberately exploited for the purpose. > [@Smapti](#): > > You’d think that one person would know that Epstein dying would _ensure_ any evidence Epstein had wouldn’t be subject to Fourth Amendment scrutiny. > > If the intent was to kill Epstein and make it look like a suicide, why would it be done in such a way that leaves such blatant points of “evidence”? Why not ensure that all the watch records were up to date, the guards had their stories straight, and the autopsy report was concise and unquestioning? You may as well assert that Epstein was a crisis actor. One does wonder, doesn’t one? The one thing we know about the Trump Administration is, they are fairly incompetent. How long did it take us to figure out we were being lied to by Barr with the Mueller report? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/145 "2019-08-16T02:51:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Sorry, I didn’t realize you were Just Asking Questions. > > Carry on, then. I think you took my meaning out of context by only partial quoting. Not really cricket. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/146 "2019-08-16T07:54:05Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > If he attempted suicide once already, why was he given ample time to attempt it again? Why was he left alone in his cell, when it was contrary to their own protocol? Really? Our society despises those who exploit/rape children. That’s what Epstein is accused of. Give the vitriol exhibited towards pedophiles it’s within reason that he was left alone because someone working at the prison literally didn’t care if such “scum” killed himself or not. It doesn’t take a massive conspiracy, just malicious indifference. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/147 "2019-08-16T16:40:56Z")
[ **I Tried to Tell the World About Epstein’s Jail. No One Wanted to Listen.** _The Metropolitan Correctional Center has become notorious for decades of inhumane treatment._](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/real-scandal-mcc/596257/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheAtlantic+%28The+Atlantic+-+Master+Feed%29) > [@](#): > > “URGENT,” the emails were marked. Since Jeffrey Epstein’s death at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, at least 20 reporters and shows from a broad cross section of the nation’s major news outlets have reached out for context and comment about the federal penitentiary. I spent a decade trying to get media outlets to pay attention to the MCC, in Lower Manhattan, pleading with journalists for hours on the phone, over email, and in person to launch investigations of the jail. Over and over, for years, these media organizations did not follow up. > > Suddenly, there was urgency to talk about the conditions at MCC. The jail now provided an intriguingly grimy backdrop to an already sordid story. The question is whether a sustained light will actually be shined on the conditions there, or whether the widespread fascination with MCC just becomes part of the spectacle. > … > > When the news broke about Epstein’s death, Attorney General William Barr said he was shocked, calling for an investigation into the “serious irregularities” at MCC. Then on Tuesday, attempting to foist the blame on underlings, he reassigned the warden and put two guards on administrative leave. > > This is willful shock, a deeply disingenuous surprise. The scandal is not a few rogue employees. The surprise is not that a man in federal custody who had shown suicidal tendencies managed to kill himself, nor conversely that a man could be killed behind bars. Barr and his DOJ (like previous DOJ officials) knew MCC was structured on “irregularities.” So did U.S. Attorney Geoffrey Berman, and his predecessor, Preet Bharara. So did the judges of the Southern District of New York. The federal prison system is replete with “irregularities.” > > \*\*The real scandal is that the horrors of MCC have existed for decades, hidden in plain sight. \*\*The journalist Aviva Stahl published a searing exposé last year in Gothamist on conditions at MCC that documented the filth, rodents, overflowing sewage, deeply substandard medical care, wrenching isolation, and often indifferent—and at times, cruel—staff. From reports from lawyers and people imprisoned there, to the legal motions they have filed attempting to mitigate the inhumane conditions, to the hundreds of administrative remedies prisoners have filled out to request remediation (the first step prisoners must take to document problems with their conditions), to the research of scholars and human-rights organizations, the abusive and corrupt conditions at MCC are well documented. > > But a broad swath of public officials, from the attorney general on down, have chosen to countenance these conditions—and major news organizations haven’t pressed the issue. > … > > The public attention to Epstein’s suicide could change that—but only if the public resists the seductive scandal of it all and insists on seeing the structural problems that Epstein’s time at MCC exposes. > > First the basics: MCC is a pretrial federal facility run by the Bureau of Prisons, which is part of the Department of Justice and overseen by Congress, that holds people awaiting trial on charges in the Southern District of New York. This means that the people it holds are presumed innocent, and the law ostensibly prohibits their punishment before conviction. > … > > Lawyers and people held there awaiting trial regularly report appalling conditions. The temperature is not adequately regulated; the facility is often sweltering in the summer and so cold in the winter that prisoners report having trouble thinking and wearing layers of clothes to be able to sleep. A single psychiatrist serves both MCC and the Metropolitan Detention Center, another federal facility located in Brooklyn. People report being “treated” through the slat in their cell door. The facility is run down, and the plumbing and elevators break often. > … > > According to studies, rates of suicide in jail are higher than in prison. And Epstein had reportedly already made one attempt to take his own life. While MCC is a special breed of hell, its approach to mental health is indicative of the BOP’s broad, cruel indifference to mental-health care. **Faced with a spate of suicides in 2012, for instance, the BOP director sent every prisoner in federal custody an absurd letter. “At times you may feel hopeless about your future, and your thought may turn to suicide,” Director Charles E. Samuels wrote. “If you are unable to think of solutions other than suicide, it is not because solutions do not exist; it is because you are currently unable to see them. Do not lose hope.”** > … > > The question now is whether MCC will merely serve as the dirty backdrop to bizarre conspiracy theories and sordid accountings of Epstein’s last hours, allowing the inhumanity to remain hidden in plain sight—or whether Epstein’s death is going to finally force us to see what is going on in Lower Manhattan and insist conditions at MCC finally be addressed. > … My bold. Well, gee whiz. Why wouldn’t such words of comfort be good enough? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/148 "2019-08-16T21:37:49Z")
The ME’s final report is out. The verdict? [Suicide by hanging.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-autopsy/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/149 "2019-08-16T21:59:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I don’t understand your need to take such a withering tone. At present, according to the medical examiner, the cause of death is undetermined. If sufficient evidence existed today to rule it a suicide, the medical examiner would have done so. > > Apart from Bill Barr’s words telling you so, what actual evidence do you have at this point that Epstein committed suicide? You think people never fake suicides in order to get away with murder? Do you think there might be an additional impetus for someone to engineer such an outcome if they stood to lose everything they have if certain information were to be revealed by Epstein? > > Do you understand that by arguing so hotly in favor of a suicide ruling, you’re literally taking Bill Barr’s word for it, even ahead of the medical examiner’s autopsy results? Me, I don’t trust him at all. Worth noting he sure was quick to tell you what to think, though. > > Epstein probably did commit suicide. He may have been aided by persons creating conditions that would allow and encourage him in that direction. Pretty convenient if you want to off someone and you can get them to do your dirty work for you. In the IMHO poll thread, I did opine that he likely killed himself, and was likely able to do so due to run-of-the-mill incompetence/negligence on the part of jailhouse staff. Nowhere have I argued hotly in favor of a suicide ruling; I have only argued in favor of acknowledging that a finding of broken bones in Epstein’s neck does absolutely nothing to differentiate between suicide and homicide. Part of my annoyance is with MSN for suggesting that such a finding somehow deepens the mystery surrounding his death. The other part of my annoyance is **ThelmaLou’s** implication (“The plot thickens”) that this finding casts any kind of doubt on the possibility of suicide. She cited MSN’s lame-ass editorializing (“deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death”) as some kind of evidence that justified her spreading rumors on a site that is dedicated to ascertaining and spreading facts. When I called her on it, she resorted to the miscreant schoolchild’s time-honored defense: > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > [They] did it first. :rolleyes: Stay classy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/150 "2019-08-16T23:00:35Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > … > :rolleyes: > > Stay classy. I’m only hooman. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/151 "2019-08-19T02:57:38Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Your source for the word of the FBI? If you have such information, by all means link to it. > > The medical examiner has not yet issued any formal ruling re cause of death. > > Your source for the staff who’ve “admitted” that it was a colossal screw up? Again, if you have such information, linking to it would be helpful. > > The neck injuries are not entirely consistent with self-inflicted hanging. Hence the ‘undetermined’ designation by the medical examiner to date. You seem to want to conveniently ignore this. > > It was on the news. Sorry you missed hearing it. But [here you go](https://lawofficer.com/news/official-says-epstein-feared-hulking-ex-cop-charged-multiple-murders-cellmate/). > > Lawyers don’t determine whether an inmate is taken off suicide watch. There is a protocol for making this determination, irrespective of what the lawyers requested. > > I’m sure the guards did slack. Was it known they did this? Was it a regular occurrence? And if so, apparently they _did_ get away with falsifying records for some time, didn’t they? > > Nope. Where did I ever invoke an “outside interloper?” Now you’re just making stuff up. One sympathetic guard is all it would take. > > It’s unlikely and I readily admit that. But my ‘most likely scenario’ doesn’t involve direct murder. I have maintained ad nauseam that I believe Esptein most likely died by his own hand, his suicidal tendencies deliberately exploited for the purpose. > > One does wonder, doesn’t one? The one thing we know about the Trump Administration is, they are fairly incompetent. How long did it take us to figure out we were being lied to by Barr with the Mueller report? What did the Mueller Report prove after 2 years? ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/152 "2019-08-19T03:03:06Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > What did the Mueller Report prove after 2 years? Massive incompetence in the Trump administration as well as mssive obstructions of justice. I don’t understand the point you are trying to make by asking this question. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/153 "2019-08-28T07:15:02Z")
Not really the paragon of high-quality media, but _TheSun_(uk) is reporting that [the closed-circuit footage from The Big Epstein’s ultimate evening is damaged](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9809105/epstein-cctv-footage-jail-cell-unusable/) and unusable. (is “footage” even a meaningful term anymore?) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/154 "2019-08-28T18:37:32Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Not really the paragon of high-quality media, but _TheSun_(uk) is reporting that [the closed-circuit footage from The Big Epstein’s ultimate evening is damaged](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9809105/epstein-cctv-footage-jail-cell-unusable/) and unusable. > > (is “footage” even a meaningful term anymore?) If this is true, and If bad recordings haven’t been an ongoing problem at the facility (which the article suggests is a possibility) then I may move a little closer to the tin foil hat crowd on this one. It’s just one more way too convenient thing. Sent from my SM-G950U1 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/155 "2019-10-30T14:12:07Z")
This just in: Celebrity pathologist Michael Baden says [the autopsy points to homicide, not suicide](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html?emc=rss&partner=rss). (NYT, may be behind paywall.) According to Baden, Epstein > [@New York TImes](#): > > …experienced a number of injuries that “are extremely unusual in suicidal hangings and could occur much more commonly in homicidal strangulation.” > > “I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” Dr. Baden said, who observed the autopsy, which was conducted by city officials. > > Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor, added, “I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.” > > The findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city’s chief medical examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson, who previously ruled Mr. Epstein’s death on Aug. 10 in the Metropolitan Correctional Center a suicide. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/156 "2019-10-30T14:38:13Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > This just in: Celebrity pathologist Michael Baden says [the autopsy points to homicide, not suicide](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html?emc=rss&partner=rss). (NYT, may be behind paywall.) > > According to Baden, Epstein I would like to know who ended up with all the video that Epstein recorded of his guests. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/157 "2019-10-30T14:42:27Z")
“Celebrity pathologist” is not a description that inflates my confidence in his conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/158 "2019-10-30T15:06:58Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > “Celebrity pathologist” is not a description that inflates my confidence in his conclusions. My term. I don’t know much about his reputation among his peers, I only know he’s appeared on lots of TV shows about famous cases, going back decades. As soon as I heard that some pathologist was questioning the official story, I thought of him, because he’s the only pathologist I can name. Here’s his [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Baden) and his [IMDb page](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1745063/?ref_=tt_rv_t2). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/159 "2019-10-31T10:21:10Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I would like to know who ended up with all the video that Epstein recorded of his guests. I know you didn’t mean it to sound skeevy, but you might want to reword this… ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451/160 "2019-10-31T13:35:23Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > I know you didn’t mean it to sound skeevy, but you might want to reword this… ? I think the question is clear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/epstein-suicide/838451.md?page=9)