# Equality Act is drawing opposition from feminists and conservatives alike **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 9, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742 "2019-05-09T19:26:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/81 "2019-05-10T20:55:06Z")
> [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > …I mean, we don’t anymore. Exactly these arguments were used in the 70s to argue that lesbians shouldn’t be allowed in women’s spaces because they were dangerous. They’re based on the exact same bullshit assumptions, the exact same discriminatory rhetoric Cite that anyone anywhere has ever had that discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/82 "2019-05-10T20:58:54Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Cite that anyone anywhere has ever had that discussion. Since this board wasn’t around back in the 70’s, that would be quite a trick. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/83 "2019-05-10T21:07:28Z")
When cisgender female athletes complain about the physical advantage of trans athletes, the response to them seems to be…“Deal with it.” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/84 "2019-05-10T21:07:42Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > They don’t necessarily spend a lot of their time arguing about transgendered people. They don’t necessarily write their stance wrt this issue on the front page of their websites. The front page for the Women’s Liberation Front currently has two anti-trans stories on the front of their website. > [@](#): > > This is entirely a true Scotsman fallacy. Someone agitating for women rights doesn’t have to share all of your views about those rights or anything else for that matter. They do if they want me to consider them feminist. If shitbags like the women you’re so ardently defending can unilaterally declare that someone else isn’t a woman, I get to do the exact same thing when they try to call themselves feminist. > [@](#): > > On top of which, feminists who feel that they’re entitled to decide what other women should do… …is not related to anything I’ve said in this thread. > [@](#): > > No, I don’t think so. The bigotry is evident, but I think it’s for a large part the result and the consequence of their bigotry and hatred towards men, whose existence in the feminist movement is actively denied by many on the left arguing that there can’t be such a thing as reverse sexism. Transwomen are only the fifth column of their real enemy, and they aren’t treated any worse or with anymore prejudice than men are. I’m yet to see (in real life mostly long ago or on the web nowadays) any TE feminist who isn’t filled with prejudice against men too, and in fact primarily. Yeah, I agree, Terfs are also usually deeply prejudiced against men. So what? > [@](#): > > I know nothing about this specific group. Maybe you should read the OP before contributing to this thread, then? They’re specifically one of the two groups described in the article she linked to. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/85 "2019-05-10T21:27:45Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Okay. So there’s the theory. You can list a non-trivial number of reasons why transwomen might have a competitive advantage over women. > > So given this, would we expect to see: > > - a disproportionally high number of transwomen in high-level pro sports? > - a proportionally high number of transwomen in high-level pro sports? > - a disproportionally low number of transwomen in high-level pro sports? > > Because in practice, it’s that last one. Despite what Shodan wrongly asserts about FtM athletes (and seriously how hard is it to google before you say something so wrong), the first out transgendered olympic athlete was [Chris Mosier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Mosier) - a FtM transman. Meanwhile, the number of out transwomen is still… zero. > > Transwomen occasionally see a modicum of success (Gregory is the first new case to make the rounds in TERF circles since, what, Laurel Hubbard two years ago?), which one would expect given that there are millions of them. And every time that happens, without fail, someone tries to take that individual success as proof that transwomen have an unfair advantage. And the evidence just isn’t there. We know there are tons of advantages _men_ have… But we also know that HRT leads to many massive changes in physiology, and we also know that post-HRT transwomen are not disproportionately represented in high-level sports. > > There’s this concept in the smash community - “theorycrafting”. Trying to figure out how a matchup would work just by looking at the individual tools the characters have. That’s sort of what you’re doing here - “Oh, look at factor X, Y, Z, transwomen should have an advantage over ciswomen”. The thing about theorycrafting is that it’s notoriously unreliable, to the point where someone arguing, “Well, in theory the matchup should work well for character X” when actual results show character X getting consistently beaten gets laughed out of the room. > > I have no idea if Mary Gregory has an unfair advantage over the other women participating. But I don’t think you do either. And if she does, I’m not sure it’s any different from any possible “unfair advantages” that, say, Kate Ledecky has, and nobody’s trying to take away her medals. C’mon now. There are folks running in high school girls’ races that have a demonstrated advantage. Is that fair? Should sport just abolish so-called ‘gender’ categories? I am beginning to think that’s what we should do. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/86 "2019-05-10T21:36:40Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > What does that have to do with my point? **iiandyiiii** said the fear expressed by many women that allowing self-certified trans people into their spaces will increase their chances of being assaulted was “entirely fictional”. My point was that it’s \*not/i] entirely fictional, as my example showed. Yes, it’s fictional. Predators will predate. Pervs will perv. Liars will lie. Recognizing that trans people exist and should be treated like humans doesn’t change any of that. A predator will put themselves in position to hurt people – treating trans people like human beings doesn’t make this more likely. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/87 "2019-05-10T21:39:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Yes, it’s fictional. Predators will predate. Pervs will perv. Liars will lie. Recognizing that trans people exist and should be treated like humans doesn’t change any of that. A predator will put themselves in position to hurt people – treating trans people like human beings doesn’t make this more likely. On what basis do you deny that the woman in the article I linked to is, in fact, a woman? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/88 "2019-05-10T21:40:05Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > This discussion isn’t just about locker rooms. It’s about _all_ female spaces. The strategy you describe will only work in a society which makes it easy for people to self-certify their own gender. Which is why women who (perhaps due to past experiences with men) only feel safe in female spaces can be concerned about the prospect of anatomical males whose predilections they don’t know being granted access to those spaces simply because they’ve declared themselves to be women. The strategy I describe already works. I’ve known assholes who have done such disgusting things, and generally gotten away with it, because _most people don’t pay much attention to who else is in the bathroom_. Most people aren’t worried about who’s in the next stall. It’s always been possible and always will be, and its frequency doesn’t depend on whether we treat trans people like human beings. Most people go to the bathroom, do their business, and get out. A few pervs find ways to do pervy things in bathrooms – by wearing a disguise, pretending to be the janitor, just going in feigning confidence, or whatever. Treating trans people with dignity and respect doesn’t change any of this. ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/89 "2019-05-10T21:41:03Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Okay. So there’s the theory. You can list a non-trivial number of reasons why transwomen might have a competitive advantage over women. > > … > > And every time that happens, without fail, someone tries to take that individual success as proof that transwomen have an unfair advantage. And the evidence just isn’t there. Might. Sure. I posted more than a theory. You asked for evidence and I provided it. It’s strong evidence, at that. But to you it’s just not there. > [@](#): > > We know there are tons of advantages _men_ have… But we also know that HRT leads to many massive changes in physiology We also know that it fails to lead to massive changes in physiology that make a difference in athletics. You’re smart enough to see it, you either choose not to or hate to admit it. > [@](#): > > I have no idea if Mary Gregory has an unfair advantage over the other women participating. Sure you don’t. You have no idea if someone that lived into his 40s and began weight training while a man has and transitioned to a woman has an advantage in a sport consisting mostly of pure strength has an advantage over other women. I have a hard time believing that you have no idea. You didn’t respond to this: > [@](#): > > You seem to put a lot of stock in what the IOC claims, so why does it take you being charitable to think Gregory should have waited the two years? How long do you think one should wait when competing in a strength event? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/90 "2019-05-10T21:41:49Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > On what basis do you deny that the woman in the article I linked to is, in fact, a woman? I didn’t say anything of the sort. Their gender is irrelevant – that they allegedly assaulted people is very bad, but treating trans people like humans doesn’t make assault more likely. The problem in that case, apparently, was putting a predator in a position, without proper supervision/oversight, in which they could get away with doing terrible things. That has nothing to do with gender identity, and probably plenty to do with the serious problems in our corrections system. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/91 "2019-05-10T21:42:31Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > What does that have to do with my point? **iiandyiiii** said the fear expressed by many women that allowing self-certified trans people into their spaces will **increase their chances of being assaulted** was “entirely fictional”. My point was that it’s _not_ entirely fictional, as my example showed. (Bolding mine) Citing one individual rapist does nothing to show this. If transwomen are less likely than ciswomen to commit sexual assault, then this individual rapist does not make your argument. Stop looking at individual outliers, look for actual _data_. > [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > Cite that anyone anywhere has ever had that discussion. Really? Were you like… asleep during all of the 2000s? Actually finding the headlines in question is quite difficult, but I guarantee I’m not the only one who’s seen or heard of people being threatened by gay people in gendered locker rooms. Seriously. Like, **Miller** , you were awake at some point between Stonewall and now, right? ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/92 "2019-05-10T21:55:46Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > …is not related to anything I’ve said in this thread. Really?You mentioned women oppressing other women. Obviously we disagree about what qualifies, because I would definitely have put dictating other women how they should live their lives and what they should do or not in their own bedroom, and supporting laws to this effect, as an obvious instance of it. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/93 "2019-05-10T21:56:43Z")
> [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Really? Were you like… asleep during all of the 2000s? Actually finding the headlines in question is quite difficult, but I guarantee I’m not the only one who’s seen or heard of people being threatened by gay people in gendered locker rooms. Seriously. Like, Miller, you were awake at some point between Stonewall and now, right? I’m open to correction but I’d be very surprised if the question of whether lesbians should be allowed in women’s prisons was ever a matter of serious discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/94 "2019-05-10T22:18:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I didn’t say anything of the sort. Their gender is irrelevant – that they allegedly assaulted people is very bad, but treating trans people like humans doesn’t make assault more likely. The problem in that case, apparently, was putting a predator in a position, without proper supervision/oversight, in which they could get away with doing terrible things. That has nothing to do with gender identity, and probably plenty to do with the serious problems in our corrections system. But if you allow people access to female spaces on the basis of a simple self-certification (such as genderqueer people who feel more like a woman on a given day, for example) then you’re also allowing predators who’ve no compunction about just flat-out lying about such things the same privilege. You’re giving them easier access to those spaces, access which they have to work much harder for at the moment. For women who (for understandable reasons) are uncomfortable around men, and who have absolutely no way to tell the difference between genuine trans people and lying predators, this can be very troubling. It’s not a concern that can just be hand-waved away by calling these women bigots and haters and TERFS or whatever. What, specifically, other than “suck it up, buttercup”, would you actually say to those women to convince them that this is a good idea? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/95 "2019-05-10T22:29:41Z")
> [@Unreconstructed\_Man](#): > > But if you allow people access to female spaces on the basis of a simple self-certification (such as genderqueer people who feel more like a woman on a given day, for example) then you’re also allowing predators who’ve no compunction about just flat-out lying about such things the same privilege. You’re giving them easier access to those spaces, access which they have to work much harder for at the moment. For women who (for understandable reasons) are uncomfortable around men, and who have absolutely no way to tell the difference between genuine trans people and lying predators, this can be very troubling. It’s not a concern that can just be hand-waved away by calling these women bigots and haters and TERFS or whatever. > > What, specifically, other than “suck it up, buttercup”, would you actually say to those women to convince them that this is a good idea? This is already how it works. Generally, anyone can walk into any bathroom. But generally people don’t do this in the “wrong” one, because almost no one has any interest in going into the bathroom except to use the facilities. Nothing changes if we treat trans people with decency, in terms of threats to women. Liars can lie and get into the “wrong” bathroom, just like they always could. There’s no new danger or risk here. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/96 "2019-05-10T22:35:49Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sure it could have occurred. A dishonest perv can pretend to be a transwoman, or a transman (or a ciswoman or cisman, for that matter), to gain access to their preferred targets, depending on the “rules”. This doesn’t change because transwomen are allowed to use locker rooms. Liars will lie, and pervs will perv, whatever the rules. But then shouldn’t this lead to the conclusion that women only spaces are utterly unnecessary? Because I’m not arguing that transwomen in women only spaces is clearly a problem. I’m arguing that if there’s actually a problem wrt the presence of men in some spaces (be it safety or simply prudishness or whatever else), then the access of people stating that they identify as a woman despite not having a woman make up is also a legitimate concern. If it doesn’t matter who enters a locker room because anyway pervs will find ways to do their perv things and this is addressed by existing laws about pervs and perv things, and women have no valid reason to be bothered by the unwanted sight of a dick, then I’m not sure why the solution advocated shouldn’t be to make to make these spaces coed, period. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/97 "2019-05-10T22:37:48Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is already how it works. Generally, anyone can walk into any bathroom. But generally people don’t do this in the “wrong” one, because almost no one has any interest in going into the bathroom except to use the facilities. No it isn’t. If a man walks into a women’s bathroom today (or locker room, or domestic violence shelter, or whatever) he’s told to get out, and if he refuses security or the police will remove him. If he’s a predator, and if he can establish his bona fides by simply saying “I’m a woman”, what recourse does anyone have? Why can’t he stay there for as long as he likes? And how are vulnerable women in the same space supposed to deal with that? > [@](#): > > Nothing changes if we treat trans people with decency, in terms of threats to women. Liars can lie and get into the “wrong” bathroom, just like they always could. There’s no new danger or risk here. And if there was some way for women to tell the difference between non-passing trans women and predators I might agree. But there isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/98 "2019-05-10T22:44:29Z")
Are we starting that “What if they just say that they are a woman and march into the women’s room” crap yet again? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/99 "2019-05-10T22:46:58Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Nothing changes if we treat trans people with decency, in terms of threats to women. Liars can lie and get into the “wrong” bathroom, just like they always could. There’s no new danger or risk here. This sounds like gun-proponent logic: “If we put up a school sign that says this is a gun-free zone, shooters can still bring in guns anyway, so why bother labeling it a gun-free zone?” ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742/100 "2019-05-10T22:51:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Really? Were you like… asleep during all of the 2000s? Actually finding the headlines in question is quite difficult, but I guarantee I’m not the only one who’s seen or heard of people being threatened by gay people in gendered locker rooms. Seriously. Like, **Miller** , you were awake at some point between Stonewall and now, right? [Here’s a conversation on the subject from 2013.](https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/02/opinion/cain-kluwe-gay-player-nfl/index.html) [Another from the same year.](https://prospect.org/article/are-gay-guys-checking-you-out-locker-room) [A Quora question about why lesbians are allowed in women’s locker rooms but not straight men.](https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-okay-for-lesbians-to-change-their-clothes-among-other-women-but-its-not-okay-for-heterosexual-men) That’s from 2015. [A story from 2003 about an 8th grade girl who identifies as a lesbian not being allowed to change with the other girls in her gym class.](https://www.laweekly.com/news/lesbian-in-the-locker-room-2135803) [A page at debate.org over whether queer people in general (not just trans people) should be allowed to use the same locker room as everyone else.](https://www.debate.org/opinions/should-gay-lesbian-bisexual-transgender-and-questioning-youth-have-special-privileges-regarding-locker-rooms-and-bathrooms-at-school) Lots of comments there about people not wanting to be “ogled” by other people while they’re showering. [This Teen Vogue article from 2017, “Top 10 Lesbian Myths Debunked” starts with, “Lesbians are looking at you in the locker room.”](https://www.teenvogue.com/story/lesbian-myths-debunked) [A forum post from 2014 from a woman who doesn’t want to share a locker room with a lesbian.](https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Board/102847/Contents/Gay-vs-Straightin-the-locker-room-53992076/) [This undated article from “NewsMachete” ( :dubious: ) uses the transgender bathroom debate as a launching point to argue that lesbians should be required to use the men’s room, so they don’t creep on the straight ladies.](http://newsmachete.com/?news=1130) Given the stories it references, it appears to be from around 2015. [Another forum post from 2016 wondering if gay people should be allowed in locker rooms with straight people.](https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3379761) So, yeah, that’s not an uncommon sentiment by any means, even today. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/equality-act-is-drawing-opposition-from-feminists-and-conservatives-alike/833742.md?page=6)