# Er 10/14/04 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 15, 2004, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347 "2004-10-15T10:30:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![threeorange](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@threeorange](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threeorange)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/1 "2004-10-15T10:30:37Z")
…unfortunately, I missed it. Did anyone else see it? What happened? ---
**Author:** ![Heloise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@Heloise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heloise)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/2 "2004-10-15T10:33:08Z")
Unfortunately, I don’t even know if it’s on here. Spoilers, anyone, for what’s been happening lately? What happened with the child custody case? ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Lore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Monkey\_Lore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Lore)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/3 "2004-10-15T11:47:30Z")
This episode, not in any particular order: Abby and the new Rock Star doctor agrue a bit over a patient that the Rock Star is treating. Abby thinks the patient is altered, so she orders a tox screen behind Rock Star’s back. The tox screen is negative for drugs. The Rock Star finds out and berates Abby. Later, (because of the tox screen?) they find out the patient has Aspirin posioning (from taking too many Aspirins because of a knee pain), and so Abby was right to get the tox screen. Rock Star apologizes. The writers might be setting up a romance between these two. Pratt is back at work, but is “dragging his ass” so Carter sends him home. Carter tells Pratt to come back when he is fully recovered. Luka, who is sleepy, fills in for Pratt’s shift. After the shift, Luka takes Sam’s kid to a soccer game. After the game Luka tries to be fatherly to the kid, but the kid says he has a father and that his father will return. There are three med students in this episode. One is a short female who has trouble preventing a patient from taking her stethoscope. The second student asks Abby out, but is rejected. The third (probably) has OCD, but only Abby notices. She hasn’t decided if she should tell anyone. Abby (again) asks Carter to go with her to an AA meeting, but Carter says he is fine. Susan and Chuck show up with their newborn. Chuck is humorously maternal. He is seen breastfeeding in the doctor’s lounge. A new, cocky surgeon is introduced. A gun-shot victim is brought in, but is brain dead. He is HIV positive. His friend, who also has HIV, shows up needing a liver. It’s illegal to transplant organs from HIV+ people. Even so, Carter wants the liver transplant to happen. The new surgeon says no, but because it will piss off Kerry, Carter is able to convince Corday to okay the surgery. Neela goes to a shopping mall to look for a job. She tries, unsucessfully, at a coffee house and a fancy clothing store. She goes to a job agency. They, I assume, set her up as a clerk in convience store (Abby and the Rock Star find Neela working there). As for Kerry’s child custody case: it was quickly resolved. The grandparents decided that caring full-time for a baby was too straining. They came to an agreement were Kerry would have custody and the grandparents would babysit. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/4 "2004-10-15T11:57:09Z")
> [@Monkey Lore](#): > > Susan and Chuck show up with their newborn. Chuck is humorously maternal. He is seen breastfeeding in the doctor’s lounge. And were they calling the baby “Cosmo”? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Casey1505](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dc4da7/32.png) [@Casey1505](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Casey1505)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/5 "2004-10-15T13:07:39Z")
> [@Monkey Lore](#): > > A gun-shot victim is brought in, but is brain dead. He is HIV positive. His friend, who also has HIV, shows up needing a liver. It’s illegal to transplant organs from HIV+ people. Even so, Carter wants the liver transplant to happen. The new surgeon says no, but because it will piss off Kerry, Carter is able to convince Corday to okay the surgery. I missed the episode, too. Did the second guy shoot the first one, hoping to be able to get his liver? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Sayid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@Jack\_Sayid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Sayid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/6 "2004-10-15T13:25:56Z")
…And the Rock Star apparently does not have his own shelter yet, and is living in the hospital. In the last scene, Carter visited him on the roof. He was playing guitar and having a cookout. He played a nice little version of _The Star Spangled Banner_. I like this guy. I’m glad he’s on the show. I’m still pissed they canceled **Once and Again** , however. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dasgupta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e56c9b/32.png) [@dasgupta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasgupta)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/7 "2004-10-15T13:32:55Z")
There was another med student who was wearing what appeared to be a voice memo recorder on his ear with a microphone, similar in appearance to a cell phone ear piece, just a bit larger. He was recording everything the docs said for later review. Carter jokingly asked if he could get fries with that, since med student looked like a drive-thru clerk. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/8 "2004-10-15T13:48:10Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > And were they calling the baby “Cosmo”? :rolleyes: Yes, they were. Is he named after Kramer? **Casey** , the bike guy was shot by an armed robber at a deli, I think… it wasn’t his buddy. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/9 "2004-10-15T13:51:50Z")
> [@Casey1505](#): > > I missed the episode, too. Did the second guy shoot the first one, hoping to be able to get his liver? No. The first guy tried to be a hero in a liquor store robbery and got shot in the head by the perp. The friend was nowhere around, and it certainly didn’t seem, in any way, like that’s what happened. And I’m a little annoyed with Neela. There are more things you can do with a medical degree than be a doctor! Be a lab tech. Try to go to grad school and do some research and get a PhD in something like bio or chem. It seems to me that she did well when in school, so would probably have no trouble getting some money from a professor’s research grant. Couple that with a little bit of TAing and she would have enough money to live off of while in school. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/10 "2004-10-15T14:08:44Z")
> [@Jack Sayid](#): > > …And the Rock Star apparently does not have his own shelter yet, and is living in the hospital. > > In the last scene, Carter visited him on the roof. He was playing guitar and having a cookout. He played a nice little version of _The Star Spangled Banner_. > > I like this guy. I’m glad he’s on the show. > > 😉 Isn’t the rock star doc actually “Doogie” from Doogie Howser MD? The old med series show about a young phenom doctor? Sure reminds me of him, anyone else think this?? About last nights show… Isn’t a liver transplant something that would take an extaordinary amount of skill and training? Something that you would have had to specialise in for years before tackling? Would take a team of trained docs to pull off? And the meds to prevent the rejection and the ICU time would cost a fortune. There is no way they can get away with slipping in a transplant under the RADAR of Weaver. Ain’t gonna happen. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/11 "2004-10-15T14:13:55Z")
continued; Neela seems so wishy-washy. Why are they keeping her on the show? Me-thinks she’ll end up back in the ER with a vengeance. The OCD intern drove me nuts with his inability to make a decision, -quickly. He’ll wash out of the ER. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/12 "2004-10-15T14:17:40Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Isn’t the rock star doc actually “Doogie” from Doogie Howser MD? The old med series show about a young phenom doctor? > Sure reminds me of him, anyone else think this?? > About last nights show… > Isn’t a liver transplant something that would take an extaordinary amount of skill and training? Something that you would have had to specialise in for years before tackling? Would take a team of trained docs to pull off? And the meds to prevent the rejection and the ICU time would cost a fortune. There is no way they can get away with slipping in a transplant under the RADAR of Weaver. > Ain’t gonna happen. He does remind me of Doogie, but apparently he’s the same guy who played Tom Sawyer in **The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen**. His name is Shane West. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/13 "2004-10-15T14:24:51Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Isn’t the rock star doc actually “Doogie” from Doogie Howser MD? The old med series show about a young phenom doctor? > Sure reminds me of him, anyone else think this?? > About last nights show… > Isn’t a liver transplant something that would take an extaordinary amount of skill and training? Something that you would have had to specialise in for years before tackling? Would take a team of trained docs to pull off? And the meds to prevent the rejection and the ICU time would cost a fortune. There is no way they can get away with slipping in a transplant under the RADAR of Weaver. > Ain’t gonna happen. No, that’s not Neil Patrick Harris. They’re both fair-complexioned and have reddish-blond hair, and that’s about as far as the resemblance goes. If you want to see what NPH looks like these days, check out the last episode of Law and Order: Criminal Intent. He was the serial killer. Yes, transplant surgery is a highly specialized field, and you generally have a special surgical team that does them. I get the impression from other episodes that County has a transplant team, so presumably when Lizzie said she’d ready the team, that’s who she was talking about. Personally, I think they’ll be out of surgery before Weaver knows the difference, and then they’ll be ethically bound to care for the guy till he recovers. She _will_ find out, though, and Lizzie will get fired for it. ---
**Author:** ![Omega\_Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7c8e57/32.png) [@Omega\_Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omega_Glory)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/14 "2004-10-15T14:26:49Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Isn’t the rock star doc actually “Doogie” from Doogie Howser MD? The old med series show about a young phenom doctor? > Sure reminds me of him, anyone else think this?? I don’t think so. We just saw the grown up Doogie in Law and Order: CI a couple of weeks ago, and he didn’t look any thing like that. Doesn’t mean it can’t be him though. After preview: I see that Max Torque covered this. I noticed that Morris was still around. Wasn’t he supposed to be gone by now? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Sayid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@Jack\_Sayid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Sayid)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/15 "2004-10-15T14:35:49Z")
> [@Uncommon Sense](#): > > Isn’t the rock star doc actually “Doogie” from Doogie Howser MD? The old med series show about a young phenom doctor? > Sure reminds me of him, anyone else think this?? No, he’s [Shane West](http://abc.go.com/primetime/onceandagain/bios/shane_west.html). He used to be on **Once and Again**. He is a very good young actor. ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/16 "2004-10-15T14:36:46Z")
> [@Max Torque](#): > > He does remind me of Doogie, but apparently he’s the same guy who played Tom Sawyer in **The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen**. His name is Shane West. He is Shane West. He was also in **A Walk to Remember** with Mandy Moore. Not that I’ve ever seen that, or anything. I like him. He reminds me of Carter when he first came to the ER: young, brash, full of promise. I think that’s the whole idea, to replace Carter with him. I think Alex Kingston might be leaving, too. Which would explain the set-up of the illegal organ transplant. BTW, Alex Kingston is filming a movie about 50 miles from where I live as we speak. This may not be a big deal to some, but around here, it’s pretty cool stuff! ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/17 "2004-10-15T14:53:26Z")
What exactly was the breastfeeding device Chuck was wearing? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/18 "2004-10-15T15:06:13Z")
Oh please, I wish they could go through one season without romatically involving co-workers in the ER. Abby’s had her share of good looking young doctors she doesn’t need any more. Do most hospitals have that much co-worker dating going on? ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/19 "2004-10-15T15:26:51Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > Oh please, I wish they could go through one season without romatically involving co-workers in the ER. Abby’s had her share of good looking young doctors she doesn’t need any more. Do most hospitals have that much co-worker dating going on? If hospitals are anything like other workplaces, I’ll bet they do. It seems like they don’t have time (or energy) to meet up outside of the hospital, so I’ve always thought the hookups were pretty natural. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347/20 "2004-10-15T15:36:14Z")
> [@yellowval](#): > > He is Shane West. He was also in **A Walk to Remember** with Mandy Moore. Not that I’ve ever seen that, or anything. > I like him. He reminds me of Carter when he first came to the ER: young, brash, full of promise. I think that’s the whole idea, to replace Carter with him. > I think Alex Kingston might be leaving, too. Which would explain the set-up of the illegal organ transplant. BTW, Alex Kingston is filming a movie about 50 miles from where I live as we speak. This may not be a big deal to some, but around here, it’s pretty cool stuff! I know AL=lex Kingston is leaving. Her contract expired and wasn’t renewed, right? And the preview for next week’s ep. made it seem like someone will leave, and I bet it’s her right after Weaver find out about the transplant. I remember there was some fuss about the producers of ER getting rid of older cast members a while back. When you think about it, that does seem to fit. They have gotten rid of all their older doctors except weaver (and if this new surgeon stays, then he’s there, too.) Green, Benton, Romano, Doug, and that girl who is now making a few guest appearences were all slowly removed from the cast. Now the oldest doctor we see a lot of is Carter (BTW, did I hear him say he was the attending?! I thought you had to be inthe field for YEARS to be an attending? I would figure he’d only be up to the ‘fellowship’ stage by now. But then again, I don’t know much about the world of medicine.) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/er-10-14-04/269347.md?page=2)