# Erfworld: Book 2 discussion (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528 "2010-06-09T12:58:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/341 "2012-08-08T01:10:46Z")
That’s how Wanda got caught by Olive, wasn’t it? Finding a dress with her insignia on it, putting it on… That, and I recall Wanda and Jillian had some… history. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/342 "2012-08-08T14:36:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Would it really be so hard for the Great Minds to wait until _after_ the battle to have a nice sit-down chat with Parson? I mean, they were involved in his summons, they know how good he is, they should know that he’s not in significant danger this exact turn. And surely, it would be better for their purposes for him to not regard them as his enemy. After the battle, as Isaac points out today, the Magic Kingdom will be at war with Gobwin Knob. So, conferring with GK’s chief warlord wouldn’t be prudent. Also, the Great Minds believe that Charlie can eavesdrop on thinkagrams (which we have evidence is true). That’s why they want to take him back to their playground to talk – it’s secure from Charlie. If they wait to thinkagram Parson after the battle, Charlie will be listening. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/343 "2012-08-08T14:58:01Z")
A few problems with that. First, the Magic Kingdom as a whole does not appear to be a single Side: If it were, then we wouldn’t be seeing the conflict between MK-affiliated casters we’re seeing now. Second, Charlie surely already knows that the Great Minds want to meet with Parson: Even if he didn’t already, he’s got boots on the ground right there watching it happen, so he’ll find out soon enough. So what’s the harm in Isaac Thinkagraming Parson to set up a later meeting in the playground? Even if Charlie intercepted it, he wouldn’t learn anything he didn’t already know. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2012, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/344 "2012-08-08T15:07:24Z")
I think we have to take Isaac at his word when he says going through the portal to Spacerock “will make your side an enemy of the Magic Kingdom itself”. The casters of the MK are barbarians, but know they have to cooperate to survive, and know they can’t be seen as a threat by other Sides or they won’t survive. If Parson militarizes the MK, those in the MK perceived to be helping him will get ganged-up upon by the others. The Great Minds know they can’t afford to suffer that. And if they try to do so secretly, they know that Charlie will be able to reveal that they did so. And if _even then_ they try to convince Parson to come to a rendezvouz at their playground… how the heck would he expect to _get there_, past all the hostile casters that will be in the MK waiting for him? At the end of the day, though, the Great Minds are on-board with the plan for the Perfect Warlord to break the things about Erfworld that they think suck. Their own cushy existence is not one of those things. Parson’s current plan threatens their cushy existence. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/345 "2012-08-10T08:13:34Z")
In the notes section, the identity of one of the Carnymancers is revealed: > [@](#): > > The Carnymancer in the brown suit and tie in Book 2 page 082 is Erfworld Kickstarter supporter Sean Mattox, whose generous pledge earned him the cameo as a caster in the Magic Kingdom. I assume that’s the [guy with the beard next to Jojo](http://www.erfworld.com/page/5/). ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/346 "2012-08-15T16:04:52Z")
Update calls out Charlie’s hacking the eyebooks. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/347 "2012-08-15T16:38:53Z")
I really wonder why this needed a Parson’s Klog to tell us, though. We already knew Charlie hacked the eyebooks. We already strongly suspect he’s capable of hacking thinkagrams. And we’ve already seen it implied that the Great Minds think he can hack much more than that even. Prior Klogs have been used to convey world/system information that is better suited to exposition than to being conveyed in dialog. This information has _already_ be conveyed in dialog. So why do we need it in exposition, too? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/348 "2012-08-15T18:04:21Z")
The image only shows the first page of the Klog; did you read the text underneath? Parson’s book (and _only_ Parson’s book, among all eyebooks) now has the capability of projecting 3D models. Which, so far, he’s only used to make his tactical wargaming scenarios a little easier. But what are the limits on the models he can project? Can he use his book to make a _full-scale_ model? Does anyone else know or suspect he has this capability? He already has one gadget that makes him effectively a Mathemancer; is he now effectively a Foolamancer, too? ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/349 "2012-08-23T01:49:13Z")
Update. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2012, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/350 "2012-08-23T08:36:28Z")
“Faceplant”. Heh. Methinks Parson is getting a tad miffed at Maggie not telling him things he needs to know (as indeed the recent Klog implied). ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/351 "2012-08-27T16:55:43Z")
I like the storylines but I guess I’ve gotten to the point where I’d like them more individually. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/352 "2012-08-29T14:09:56Z")
[New Erf comic](http://www.erfworld.com/2012/08/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-86/) Back to the battleground, with Lady Sylvia. And a bit more about Carnymancy, although I’m not clear on what it’s being implied that Jojo did there. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/353 "2012-08-29T14:32:50Z")
If this was Oots her declaration of invulnerability would indicate she was toast… ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/354 "2012-08-29T15:20:02Z")
With carnymancers being untrustworthy, I’m guessing that Jojo sold someone else out to help Sylvia. Well, from past events, he definitely sold out lots of people in the future. And it’s been implied that he works for Charlie. I’m very curious now. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/355 "2012-08-29T15:52:54Z")
Jojo said he made a “trade”. We know from the prequel story that Luckamancy basically trades one unit/side’s rolls for someone else’s… but that’s Luckamancy, not Carnymancy. Carnymancy is aligned with the Fate axis, though, so maybe he traded her Fate for someone else’s? Unaroyal seems to have gotten a bummer Fate, but doing _that_ would have been contrary to Jojo’s Duty, no matter how untrustworthy carnymancers are supposed to be. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/356 "2012-08-31T00:42:41Z")
Oh, boop. He could have shifted the death fate into the scroll that he’s trying to pass on to our Lord Hampster. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/357 "2012-08-31T02:06:41Z")
I don’t think we’re meant to understand what Jojo did, yet. It’s meant to set up something else, that we’ll see some time later. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/358 "2012-08-31T04:04:27Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Oh, boop. He could have shifted the death fate into the scroll that he’s trying to pass on to our Lord Hampster. I dunno. I have the sense that when Jojo had that encounter with Sylvia, it was a LONG time before anyone had plans about her becoming Lady Sylvia, Decrypted Warlord of Gobwin Knob. I do think it’s possible he was setting her up to be a sleeper agent for Charlie, to be triggered at some later time, as the opportunity presented itself. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/359 "2012-08-31T19:53:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think we’re meant to understand what Jojo did, yet. It’s meant to set up something else, that we’ll see some time later. Oh, yes. I’m sure we’re going to be teased for a for a long while before all becomes clear. And that’s not a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/360 "2012-09-05T07:22:24Z")
confirmation that the real Slately fell, also Parson claims no plan for this fight. > **[Book 2 - Page 87](https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%202/175)** > > Book 2 - Page 87 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528.md?page=19)