# Erfworld: Book 2 discussion (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 9, 2010, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528 "2010-06-09T12:58:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2013, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/501 "2013-09-05T21:55:15Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/502 "2013-09-05T23:21:09Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **Lightray** : > > Apparently, Charlie negotiated in the aftermath, so that all of Faq’s casters (including Wanda) and Jillian would not reveal what they had learned of Charlie’s backstory while they lived. And the prequel pages are just now reaching that aftermath, so we might be getting more information about that deal in the next week or three. Or he might decide we’ve learned enough for now and instead move onto a different phase of backstory; hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2013, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/503 "2013-11-14T20:01:59Z")
Is this thing even a comic anymore? Sizemore is a whiny bitch. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2013, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/504 "2013-11-15T07:56:52Z")
Sizemore has been through quite a bit of culture shock over the past couple of hundred turns. At one time in his life he believed that his Casting powers had only peaceful and defensive applications. Now, each time Parson calls upon his services, it takes him further out of the station in life to which he believed he was assigned (and suited). He may well find one turn, that he is fated to rule a Side. If that happens, I hope he is emotionally ptepared to accept both the burden and the mind-bending departure from his expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2013, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/505 "2013-12-07T00:36:18Z")
Just to note that with Epilogue 25 we’ve officially come to the end of Book 2, and have done so with an extremely dramatic last-panel twist. Parson may have a few tricks up his sleeve but Charlie’s got a helluva surprise for him. We’ll eventually get the rest of Book 0 once some of the side projects are finished but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for Book 3 any time this generation. Maybe our grandchildren will get to read the end of this story some day. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/506 "2014-04-12T06:00:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > We’ll eventually get the rest of Book 0 once some of the side projects are finished but I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for Book 3 any time this generation. Maybe our grandchildren will get to read the end of this story some day. I made a separate thread about it, but people may not have noticed, so I’ll bump this one with the news that there’s an erfworld kickstarter up for Book 3. It needs 15,000 dollars more to fund drawing book 3 as a comic. [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1554093685/erfworld-print-book-2-and-draw-book-3](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1554093685/erfworld-print-book-2-and-draw-book-3) ETA: This post on erfworld makes me sad - > [@](#): > > Last month, [Erfworld.com](http://Erfworld.com) was visited more than a million times, by a total of 180,000 absolute unique visitors. > > As of this post, 926 wonderful people have pledged to our Kickstarter, and some of them have pledged extremely generous amounts. Those 926 people pledged almost 80,000 $ ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/507 "2014-04-12T20:00:26Z")
im in for the $25 arkendish package. Only seemed fair to weigh in after enjoying the work ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/508 "2014-04-13T00:12:48Z")
In for the same. Only fair, I’ve had erf on my favourites since forever. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/509 "2014-04-16T02:18:14Z")
For those who recently pledged, there’s a thank you update, but the reason I wanted to put this up is it has Arthur Chu, for those of you who watch Jeopardy > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **Rob Balder** > It’s been an exciting couple of days, with more than a hundred new donors coming in since I posted site news alongside the latest Digdoug update. Thanks to everyone who responded to that plea with your new pledge, this was a gigantic boost! It pulled us out of the slowest part of almost any Kickstarter, and it really puts that $97,000 goal within reach. > > One of the big surprises we’ve had so far has been the response to the ARKENDISH PACK donor level. I know that overseas shipping is terrible (and we’ve looked and are still looking for better solutions, but USPS is the cheapest we can do right now), but I didn’t realize how many people would be interested in contributing for electronic-only rewards. > > So we’ve gone ahead and created a higher, much more personalized tier of e-only rewards called ATTUNED TO THE ARKENDISH. Pledging $95 will get you everything in the ARKENDISH PACK plus a bunch of personalized rewards. I will write you a poem and answer an Erfworld question for you by email, and Arthur Chu (our narrator and now-legendary Jeopardy! champion) will record a short message for you. Plus, I will give you your official name and role in Erfworld! So for those of you looking for a way to support the project further, without messing with physical objects and high shipping costs, this is your chance to make your relationship with Erfworld a little more personal. ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/510 "2015-11-13T19:35:44Z")
If anyone is still keeping up with this, can you help me understand what’s going on with this [mindstream](http://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/107) post? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/511 "2015-11-13T19:58:35Z")
Charlie’s prime goal is to capture Parson, failing that he wants him dead and the body captured to prevent him being decrypted. He apparently has machine guns (I assume that’s what the tripod refers to. He’s ready but reluctant to fire through the portal, both due to the financial penalties for killing Gobwin Knob units under truce and for the political ramifications of killing casters in the MK. If he does have to go through with it he then plans to capture Spacerock to get back the money he would have lost. His treasury is huuuuge almost 700 million schmuckers ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/512 "2015-11-13T20:25:53Z")
Yeah, that’s my take on it as well. Charlie clearly thinks he knows what Parson’s going to do, but IMO that’s the absolute worst mistake anyone can make about Parson. Also we don’t know if Charlie knows that the predictamancer is in play. What was Charlie talking about that Parson would be in breach of the contract and fined another 500,000 schmuckers if he steps through the portal? I thought that was just for material actions against another party of the truce. Is it true that Parson will breach the truce simply by stepping foot through the portal to Charlescomm? If so, why does Charlie think that Parson doesn’t know that, unless he’s referring to some obscure edge case in the contract? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/513 "2015-11-13T21:00:45Z")
Interesting point that I don’t know if it was deliberate: Charlie speaks of killing Parson. “Killing”, not “croaking”. Has any other Erfworlder used that word? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/514 "2015-11-13T21:54:28Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > What was Charlie talking about that Parson would be in breach of the contract and fined another 500,000 schmuckers if he steps through the portal? I thought that was just for material actions against another party of the truce. Is it true that Parson will breach the truce simply by stepping foot through the portal to Charlescomm? If so, why does Charlie think that Parson doesn’t know that, unless he’s referring to some obscure edge case in the contract? Parson admitted to Lilith a few updates ago that he’s not sure of the contract terms. But given what we know of Erfworld Rules, intruding into another Side’s capitol uninvited automagically puts your two Sides into the same battlespace (where each experiences the other’s Turn during their day), so that’s probably a truce violation right there. And Charlie basically confirms what Parson thought - that Charlescomm can claim _Lilith_ (not just cities) for future treaty violations. Also, it looks like Charlie’s defenses on “the vault” are oriented toward stopping intruders. They may not be set up to block Lilith from reaching the portal, and Charlie doesn’t want to injure her anyway. He thinks she’s heading to the portal to prepare for Parson’s invasion, which he wants to occur. So she’s probably got a good chance of _reaching_ it. Dunno how she’ll get through the barriers to the gate without damaging it or some Archons, though. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2015, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/515 "2015-12-11T07:47:24Z")
Wonder what he’s going to claim. Parson? Looking forward to hearing how claims work. Can Charlie choose cities / units specifically or does GK get to decide how to meet the value owing ---
**Author:** ![thinksnow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thinksnow/32/2849_2.png) [@thinksnow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thinksnow)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/516 "2015-12-15T02:42:03Z")
Made a claim for the moon and sky. Parson either accepts or parlays, and it looks like the parlay was the preferred outcome. I wonder what the alarms were about, though. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/517 "2015-12-15T06:15:29Z")
Time limit as the claim for damages is enforced by the contract ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/518 "2015-12-15T17:39:55Z")
And obviously, the new offer that Charlie is going to offer in the parlay is going to be Parson himself. What Parson could do is try to arrange the situation such that whatever units are traded (including him) are committed to harming other GK units at the time of the trade. Time it so that the harm is done after they officially become Charlie’s units, and he could then clean out Charlie’s treasury in the same way. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2015, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/519 "2015-12-15T17:52:45Z")
I’m afraid that’s not consistent with Parson’s personal set of ethics. Also, it’s _parley_, not _parlay_ (however fitting that word would be, considering the setup of the Portal Room). ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528/520 "2015-12-16T07:37:59Z")
> [@thinksnow](#): > > Made a claim for the moon and sky. Parson either accepts or parlays, and it looks like the parlay was the preferred outcome. > > I wonder what the alarms were about, though. I actually suspect those are “fate alarms”. The right thing to do for fate to be fulfilled is to parley, and so only when he decides to parley the alarms go silent. They get louder when he is thinking about something that is not parley. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-book-2-discussion-spoilers/542528.md?page=27)