# Erfworld: General Discussion \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205 "2009-03-03T23:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2009, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/21 "2009-04-22T23:40:25Z")
I’m not surprised that Sizemore has a new attitude after talking to the Grand Abbie. That is probably one of the things that hippymancers _do_. As for the Arkenpliers, we already know that they croak uncroaked units. And speculation seems to be that Wanda’ll probably get access to some kind of special unit – as with dwagons to the Arkenhammer, and Charlie’s Archons to the Arkendish. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/22 "2009-04-23T00:21:46Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The chapter is called “the battle for gobwin knob”, like you said the battle is over so they really should move to the next chapter. Ah. I was thinking along the lines for ‘story arc’, not of ‘chapter’. The story arc is still going. Whether the chapter needs to change depends on whether the Coalition is going to come back, and whether there’s an ongoing competition between Lord Hamster, Wanda, and Stanley for control of what happens at the knob. Either could constitute a continuing of the ‘battle’. Writing gobwin knob over and over makes me feel like that name is a pun that I’m just not getting. I know that gobwin is erf for goblin and all. It just keeps feeling like there’s more to it. And I haven’t figured out what erf is, beyond a style of magic. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/23 "2009-04-23T00:31:04Z")
Erf = Earth in much the same way as Gobwin = Goblin, Dwagon = Dragon, etc. Me, I can’t figure out the joke in Jillian Zamussel’s name. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/24 "2009-04-23T05:00:53Z")
[Wanda’s lost it](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0156.html). ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/25 "2009-04-23T06:51:18Z")
At least that settles _that_ question. ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/26 "2009-04-23T07:21:24Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Writing gobwin knob over and over makes me feel like that name is a pun that I’m just not getting. I know that gobwin is erf for goblin and all. It just keeps feeling like there’s more to it. And I haven’t figured out what erf is, beyond a style of magic. Gobwin Knob. Goblin Knob. Gobblin’ Knob. y’know… euphemism for fellatio. And when you’re really, really strong, you got jillions o’ muscles, don’tcha? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/27 "2009-04-23T07:56:20Z")
:smack: I totally believe that. Especially with all the tools running around. Although what kind of tool is an arkendish? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/28 "2009-04-23T07:59:18Z")
Looks like Ansom is about to be uncroaked. (Was one of those thinkamancers back in the Magic Kingdom supposed to be Carl Sagan?) ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/29 "2009-04-23T08:52:40Z")
Yeah, I was wondering that too… looked a hell of a lot like Sagan from his “Cosmos” days! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/30 "2009-04-23T11:35:33Z")
I can’t remember if it was mentioned but what’s the fourth Arkentool: hammer, pliers, dish, …? And will Stanley want the Arkenpliers when he gets back? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/31 "2009-04-23T13:03:19Z")
Stanley wants everything. He’s a real tool that way. (and I’ll never admit how long it took me to notice that Stanley-tool thing) ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/32 "2009-04-23T14:37:28Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Stanley wants everything. He’s a real tool that way. > > (and I’ll never admit how long it took me to notice that Stanley-tool thing) Don’t worry about it. It took me an embarassingly long time to figure out _Prince Ansom_. That was a wallbanger for the Guiness Book, I can tell you… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/33 "2009-04-23T14:41:39Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Looks like Ansom is about to be uncroaked. I wonder if the attuned Arkenpliers will have an effect on that – enabling the creation of uncroaked units that last longer and/or have abilities closer to what they had in life… or even Ansom retaining his mind and personality while being enslaved to Wanda. :eek: Comment from the site forum: > [@](#): > > If Wanda takes long, slow care in uncroaking Ansom, augmented by the Arkenpliers, will Ansom be fully self-aware? How will Jillian respond to that - her male lover made the undead slave of her female lover? (Poor Jillian - she’s getting kicked in the gut so many ways. What did she do to the author to make him so mad at her?) > [@](#): > > (Was one of those thinkamancers back in the Magic Kingdom supposed to be Carl Sagan?) I think so. That scene was thick with pop-culture references even by Erfworld standards, and that’s saying something. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/34 "2009-04-23T14:44:07Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I can’t remember if it was mentioned but what’s the fourth Arkentool: hammer, pliers, dish, …? Unknown. “Saw” is a popular guess… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/35 "2009-04-23T16:51:26Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Don’t worry about it. It took me an embarassingly long time to figure out _Prince Ansom_. That was a wallbanger for the Guiness Book, I can tell you… I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/36 "2009-04-23T16:57:30Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > I don’t get it. Prince Ansom. Handsome Prince. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/37 "2009-04-23T17:57:52Z")
Forgot to adress this : > [@Lightray](#): > > - Parson may be a hippymancer, or Janis the hippymancer may be a liar my own theory is that Parson isn’t a hippymancer at all - he’s an omnimancer, able to master every kind of magic. He’s a mathamancer because he’s good at math, the Grand Abbie thinks he’s a hippymancer because she thinks he’ll usher everlasting peace in the end. He might as well be a dirtamancer, because he know about volcanoes, and a thinkamancer because given enough knowledge about something, he can do anything with it. This last bit is likely why his stats don’t show : unlike the denizens of Erfworld, he has no innate definite role or purpose and can fit any of them should he set his mind on it. Which gives him something in common with the Tool, come to think about it - he didn’t accept his given role either. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/38 "2009-04-23T22:06:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Unknown. “Saw” is a popular guess… There’s a fellow over on the GitP forums who’s holding out for “Arkenputtyknife”. Note, though, that there are four _known_ Arkentools. That looks to me to be a nice high-calibre loaded Chekhov’s gun. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/39 "2009-04-23T22:18:21Z")
I don’t think Janis mentioned Parson as a hippymancer because of _peace_. I mean, come on, it’s obvious what type of “peace” Parson brought at Gobwin Knob, and that’s not a hippy type of thing _at all_. However, straightjacketing hippymancy to “peace” alone kind of misses the majority of what the hippie movement was about. Parson’s breaking the rules, not giving in to The Man. That’s _also_ what the hippies were about. And, of course, there are _three types_ of hippymancy. They’re likely to be as different as the lookamancy - thinkamancy - foolamancy axes of eyemancy are. > [@Olentzero](#): > > And when you’re really, really strong, you got jillions o’ muscles, don’tcha? _sigh_ Yeah, I knew it would be a d’oh! type of thing. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/40 "2009-04-23T22:50:48Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Prince Ansom. Handsome Prince. Ah, I thought that there might be something more to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=3)