# Erfworld: General Discussion \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205 "2009-03-03T23:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/401 "2010-03-24T01:01:33Z")
Actually I was wondering if Sammy might have his own (unwelcoming) response to Jillian proposing to tag along. He already seems a tad resentful about having his actions chosen for him. He might be willing to take actions that subvert the “mission” if it means he can also subvert the coercion he’s being subjected to (even if only symbolically). ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/402 "2010-03-30T01:03:53Z")
[New Erf](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/03/book-2-%E2%80%93-page-26/) Including Sammy’s response to Jillian tagging along. And Charlie shennanigans, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/403 "2010-03-30T02:34:55Z")
Why throw your units away, again? They’re just going to get de-croaked, and Charlie knows that. Unless this is just a distraction for Jillian to turn Ansom. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/404 "2010-03-30T05:37:30Z")
Nobody’s getting decroaked from this battle. Corpses go away at end of turn, and Wanda is still at the capital. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/405 "2010-03-30T14:29:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Nobody’s getting decroaked from this battle. Corpses go away at end of turn, and Wanda is still at the capital. Actually, corpses vanish at the [start of the next turn](http://www.erfworld.com/wiki/index.php/TBFGK_77a) (presumably meaning the next turn of whatever side they belonged to in life). So, depending on whether the outcome of the coming battles makes it possible, Wanda may still get a chance at more decryptions. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2010, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/406 "2010-04-07T19:41:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Nobody’s getting decroaked from this battle. Corpses go away at end of turn, and Wanda is still at the capital. [Welp,](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-27/) maybe she’ll be able to come back next turn and decrypt Sammy. 😃 P.S. What does this do to the dynamics of the battle? That is, are the FAQ troops there prematurely, before Haggar has softened up GK sufficiently? I know Sammy was a warlord rather than a ruler, so his troops won’t disband, but they’ve just lost a substantial leadership bonus, and unless Vanna has something up her sleeve, it’s a little late for them to benefit from Jillian’s mojo. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/407 "2010-04-14T01:12:32Z")
[New Erf](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-28/) – with no intervening text update; sneaky! ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/408 "2010-04-14T16:21:11Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > [Welp,](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-27/) maybe she’ll be able to come back next turn and decrypt Sammy. > > 😃 > > P.S. What does this do to the dynamics of the battle? That is, are the FAQ troops there prematurely, before Haggar has softened up GK sufficiently? I know Sammy was a warlord rather than a ruler, so his troops won’t disband, but they’ve just lost a substantial leadership bonus, and unless Vanna has something up her sleeve, it’s a little late for them to benefit from Jillian’s mojo. It looks like the other side is coming to term with the whole decryption thing. You can see that the Haggar troops are taking away Prince Sammy’s body in one of the panels. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/409 "2010-04-21T08:08:31Z")
[http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-29/](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-29/) New erf. We have developments! ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/410 "2010-04-21T16:25:46Z")
That was… refreshingly direct. I like how smug the megalogwiff looks in that last panel. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/411 "2010-04-21T21:34:24Z")
So, in an office conversation the other day, I realized what megalogwiffs are. They’re microwaved peeps. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/412 "2010-04-25T14:31:49Z")
[NERF](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/04/book-2-%E2%80%93-text-updates-021/) Jack seems to have learned a few things… ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/413 "2010-05-06T16:04:37Z")
[Jillian heads home](http://www.erfworld.com/2010/05/book-2-%e2%80%93-page-31/), after making a few comments. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/414 "2010-05-06T16:08:48Z")
Ha! I think Trammenis is well on his way to being as much a queen as Jillian. _Zing!_ ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/415 "2010-05-06T17:34:29Z")
So Jillian’s out to Turn Ansom. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/416 "2010-05-06T23:16:12Z")
I do hope that Captain Ford survives. He sees what needs to be accomplished, sees what steps will best serve that, and assumes leadership to put his plan into action. I’d like to see more of him. And I don’t think Jillian trying to turn Ansom is any surprise at all. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2010, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/417 "2010-05-06T23:28:27Z")
Yeah, it’s not a surprise that she’d want to, it’s just that Turnamancy has only been featured in the plot recently. We still have to see if it’s possible for a decrypted to be turned. And would turning him de-decrypt him, or just make him decrypted and on Jillian’s side? I’m guessing the latter. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/418 "2010-05-07T03:35:09Z")
I’m interested in getting back to the action with Wanda and Jack. I’d like to see her use those pliers on a living unit, just to see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![by-tor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/by-tor/32/266_2.png) [@by-tor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/by-tor)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2010, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/419 "2010-05-08T04:03:59Z")
Anyone else getting sick of Jillian? She is starting to seem like the protagonist and has a “can’t lose” aura about her now. Frankly, she bores me. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/420 "2010-05-09T02:40:58Z")
Jillian only seems like she has a “can’t lose” aura _now_, because of the timing of a periodic webcomic makes it seem like she’s been ‘winning’ for quite a while now. In fact, it’s been a very short time in Erfworld – not even a full Turn since she turned the tables on Wanda. That sort of impression seems to happen all the time to people commenting on Order of the Stick, too. But once collected in book format – or, read straight-through – the timing works out better. End of Book 1, Jillian was basically crushed and damaged goods, while GK was ready to start dominating Erfworld and seemingly unstoppable. There’ll be another reversal for everyone, soon enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=22)