# Erfworld: General Discussion \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205 "2009-03-03T23:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/61 "2009-04-30T17:21:23Z")
I wonder if Ansom’s procedure was more of a rezzing than an uncroaking. And if he retains his status as heir to the throne of Jetstone. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/62 "2009-04-30T17:31:48Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Ansom’s emblem is a radish – [“He’ll probably redo it in all pastels and royal radishes.”](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0030.html) > > (And now I have a mental image of Wanda’s dungeon playroom redone in pastels and royal radishes, without any change in its equipment or function. This could be my subconscious commenting on the grey-and-grey morality of the two sides, or just an indication of my warped psyche.) I’m quite probably a weird creep - but I can’t help thinking “royal radish” is some sort of unknown-to-me innuendo. In-_your_-endo ! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/63 "2009-04-30T17:48:52Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I wonder if Ansom’s procedure was more of a rezzing than an uncroaking. And if he retains his status as heir to the throne of Jetstone. I thinks that he’s been ‘raised’ rather than ‘uncroaked’ is pretty obvious. The fact that he was able to ask that question is a dead giveaway. His eyes are blue, not white like all the other uncroaked. IIRC (I don’t wanna spend the hours it would take to look at older comics on that site) only main characters have colored eyed. Also, look at the spell she used, ‘Decrypt’. As in ‘uncrypt’? He’s been raised, but has switched sides. He’s got skulls on his suit now, is it because he’s being controlled by Wanda, or because he’s on Wanda’s side? ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/64 "2009-04-30T19:32:11Z")
The other two Arkentools apparently give special units when attuned (Stanley’s dwagons, Charlie’s archons), so Ansom is probably of the special unit type of the Arkenpliers. And, yeah, the skulls are probably Wanda’s symbol. Just as, before, when she uncroaked all the Jetstone dead their livery switched from Jetstone’s radishes to Parson’s Hamstard. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/65 "2009-04-30T19:44:17Z")
:smack: :smack: :smack: :smack: Would you believe I _just_ got the pun in Hamstard ? Took me about 150 strips. The skull-shaped indentation in my wall won’t be enough, I think. ETA : I mean, I got hamster+retard, but Amstrad ? Can’t be a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/66 "2009-04-30T19:52:46Z")
[You didn’t get it](http://www.hamstard.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/67 "2009-04-30T20:12:41Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > so Ansom is probably of the special unit type of the Arkenpliers Implying, then, that Wanda is of the same special unit type? 'Cos she attuned to the pliers before she resurrected Ansom. If she’d resurrected Ansom and _then_ attuned to the pliers, I’d think she was leeching attunement from Ansom; clearly that’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/68 "2009-04-30T20:20:24Z")
> [@Olentzero](#): > > Implying, then, that Wanda is of the same special unit type? 'Cos she attuned to the pliers before she resurrected Ansom. If she’d resurrected Ansom and _then_ attuned to the pliers, I’d think she was leeching attunement from Ansom; clearly that’s not the case. No. Wanda was a caster unit. Stanley was a warlord unit. Charlie… well, let’s just assume he was a caster unit. They attuned to an Arkentool, and each have access to a special unit type through their Arkentool. Charlie is not an archon. Stanley is not a dwagon. And Wanda is not a… decrypt thing. Ansom was never attuned to the Arkenpliers; there was no attunement to “leech”. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/69 "2009-05-01T01:24:18Z")
So what are people’s theories on Charlie? Parson has absolutely no reason to trust him after what he pulled before, so it will be interesting to see what Charlie tries to do to get the mathemancy device. Charlie seems to be neutral, sort of a mercenary side, but clearly has a preference as to which side he prefers. He’s got some stupidly powerful magic not even counting the archons, but isn’t out kicking ass and taking cities. After seeing what 3 archons did to all those dwagons I have no doubt he could do it. So what’s Charlie’s deal? And what’s he gonna do next? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/70 "2009-05-01T01:43:43Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > So what are people’s theories on Charlie? Parson has absolutely no reason to trust him after what he pulled before, so it will be interesting to see what Charlie tries to do to get the mathemancy device. Charlie seems to be neutral, sort of a mercenary side, but clearly has a preference as to which side he prefers. He’s got some stupidly powerful magic not even counting the archons, but isn’t out kicking ass and taking cities. After seeing what 3 archons did to all those dwagons I have no doubt he could do it. So what’s Charlie’s deal? And what’s he gonna do next? For now, he probably thinks Parson and the artifact were at ground zero, and gone. When he eventually finds out otherwise… well, for starters, Parson still owes him a few calculations. As for his overall plans – he doesn’t seem to be interested in territory, just money and things that can make more money (like Parson’s strategic skills and the Mathemancy artifact). ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/71 "2009-05-01T01:52:34Z")
I like the theory that Charlie is from Parson’s world, thus accounting for why he is so “strange”, and why he understands Parson’s leetspeek on the eyebook. If nothing else, I think he is at least _aware_ of Parson’s world. After all, the Arkendish is a satellite dish… Charlie probably gets a _lot_ of channels on that thing, and I’d bet some of 'em are from Earth. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/72 "2009-05-01T01:58:43Z")
While you’re waiting for updates, it’s worth checking out Rob Balder’s other strip, [PartiallyClips](http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1601&c=1#strip), if you haven’t already. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/73 "2009-05-02T20:59:15Z")
[Some things change, other things are the same old Ansom…](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0158.html) ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/74 "2009-05-02T21:48:40Z")
Is that a dwagon I see up there? Coming in for a landing? Could be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/75 "2009-05-02T22:54:39Z")
There was one just flying overhead in the previous comic. I think that’s all we’re seeing. The Tool is on his way there, though. It will be interesting soon enough. I wonder if Charles knows about the decryption? Information seems to be his thing. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/76 "2009-05-02T23:15:45Z")
[QUOTE=ultrafilter] Is that a dwagon I see up there? Coming in for a landing? Could be interesting. [/QUOTE] > [@Yllaria](#): > > There was one just flying overhead in the previous comic. I think that’s all we’re seeing. A new dwagon popped at the start of their turn [here](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0157.html). _Well that would have been booping useful._ Um, Wanda is _really_ freaking powerful now. If she has access to two dead armies she can uncroak… She wins basically. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/77 "2009-05-02T23:28:03Z")
Holy boop. I think she found the God Mode Parson was looking for 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/78 "2009-05-03T22:32:27Z")
Bloody hell. So when Stanley comes back, (assuming Wanda stays loyal) he’ll find: - the entirety of the attacking force has been destroyed - he has an new non-decaying, zero-upkeep uncroaked army - his nemesis is now completely under his control - he’s (probably) got the richest city in Erfworld - his casters have levelled up - oh, and he’s got a new dwagon I think he might forgive Parson and Co. the odd bit of structural damage, considering. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/79 "2009-05-04T00:54:12Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > A new dwagon popped at the start of their turn . . . . [QUOTE=Gyrate] . . . - oh, and he’s got a new dwagon. . . [/QUOTE] :smack: I totally missed the fact that the city was creating a new dwagon at the beginning of the turn. I thought it had just wandered in. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/80 "2009-05-04T01:45:27Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Bloody hell. So when Stanley comes back, (assuming Wanda stays loyal) he’ll find: > > - the entirety of the attacking force has been destroyed > - he has an new non-decaying, zero-upkeep uncroaked army > - his nemesis is now completely under his control > - he’s (probably) got the richest city in Erfworld > - his casters have levelled up > - oh, and he’s got a new dwagon > > I think he might forgive Parson and Co. the odd bit of structural damage, considering. That’s assuming Parson and Co. don’t use their new zero upkeep army, vast riches, levelled casters and dwagon to spank him. Parson may be tied by the summoning spell, but Wanda isn’t… and _she_’s the one who cast the spell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=5)