# Erfworld: General Discussion \[spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 3, 2009, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205 "2009-03-03T23:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/101 "2009-05-13T20:35:50Z")
I was actually expecting Wanda to be a little more complicit in the downfall of Faq. Also, I am chagrined that I did not see that particular hammer dancefighting joke coming. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/102 "2009-05-13T21:04:25Z")
Isn’t Stanley’s role in the downfall of Faq the whole reason that Jillian hates him? And doesn’t she love Wanda? I could see her not reacting well when she finds out what we just learned (or that Ansom is now serving Wanda and/or Stanley). ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/103 "2009-05-13T21:25:12Z")
> [@Lightray](#): > > I was actually expecting Wanda to be a little more complicit in the downfall of Faq. If she expected Stanley to lose the battle and leave her in possession of the Arkenhammer, it would explain why Loyalty and Duty didn’t stand in the way of double-dealing – in her estimation, she would actually be benefiting her King by luring in a beatable enemy with an Arkentool in his possession. Boop, if she’d convinced herself of that, Duty might have even driven her actions. (Also, [link](http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F147.jpg) to the update on the Erfworld site, which seems to be handling the traffic better than the GitP site.) ---
**Author:** ![Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/d9b06d/32.png) [@Ichini\_Sanshigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ichini_Sanshigo)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/104 "2009-05-14T03:23:28Z")
So is Wanda still loyal to Stanley now that she’s got her own Tool and Army? I’m thinking yes, since she seemed to be saying that Ansom is Parson’s minion. I mean, she wouldn’t resurrect a whole army for Stanley if she was planning to turn on him, would she? I guess I just wonder what her end-game is. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/105 "2009-05-14T11:46:39Z")
According to Wanda, she is loyal to Fate Magic. It’s perfectly plausible that she sees Stanley’s intellectual shortcomings as rendering him unfit to lead a coalition of attuned Arkentool wielders. Were she to croak and decrypt him, I wonder if he would remain attuned to the Arkenhammer. It might be necessary to test that hypothesis on the wielder of the fourth Arkentool. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/106 "2009-05-17T15:43:01Z")
[What “Ruthlessness” is, and is not…](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0161.html) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2009, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/107 "2009-05-17T17:26:59Z")
Damn. This comic just keeps getting better and better… ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2009, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/108 "2009-05-18T23:46:37Z")
I been thinkin’. Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that conquest and assimilation of other cities is going to be a goal (early on, it’s mentioned that Stanley had had, and then lost, several other cities). If so, I’m wondering how _really_ loyal the new and improved Ansom is? Because if he’d do anything for Parson/Stanley, one logical ploy would be to send him back to whatever the capital of Jetstone is (Jetstone?) pretending to have escaped the carnage for some vaguely plausible reason. Sure, he was reported dead - but here he is, large as life and definitely not uncroaked and rotting. Huzzah! The prodigal son returneth! So Ansom gets a private moment with King Daddy and at a key point does the stabbity thing. And what happens next? Ansom is almost certainly the heir apparent. If a decrypted Ansom can inherit, suddenly he’s ruling the city/cities. If not, they fall and revert to barbarism (unless there’s another heir-in-waiting we don’t know about). Either way, Parson sweeps up. Does that make sense? Or do I just need a life? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/109 "2009-05-19T01:25:08Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I been thinkin’. > > Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that conquest and assimilation of other cities is going to be a goal (early on, it’s mentioned that Stanley had had, and then lost, several other cities). If so, I’m wondering how _really_ loyal the new and improved Ansom is? > > Because if he’d do anything for Parson/Stanley, one logical ploy would be to send him back to whatever the capital of Jetstone is (Jetstone?) pretending to have escaped the carnage for some vaguely plausible reason. Sure, he was reported dead - but here he is, large as life and definitely not uncroaked and rotting. Huzzah! The prodigal son returneth! > > So Ansom gets a private moment with King Daddy and at a key point does the stabbity thing. And what happens next? Ansom is almost certainly the heir apparent. If a decrypted Ansom can inherit, suddenly he’s ruling the city/cities. If not, they fall and revert to barbarism (unless there’s another heir-in-waiting we don’t know about). Either way, Parson sweeps up. > > Does that make sense? Or do I just need a life? Hmmm… an interesting possibility, especially considering that Ansom v2.0 has declared that he considers Parson’s anti-royalty taunts from earlier to be the Titans’ Own Truth… ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/110 "2009-05-24T01:32:32Z")
New [Erfworld](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0162.html) (not updated at [erfworld.com](http://erfworld.com) yet). Parson gets a little character growth. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/111 "2009-05-24T01:43:50Z")
And manages to bypass the filters, you’ll notice. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/112 "2009-05-24T02:04:07Z")
In throwing away the sword, he lost a piece of what made him the Perfect Warlord by Erfworld’s standards. But if he can willpower his way through the ‘game’ rules, that might make him even stronger than otherwise. Hm. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/113 "2009-05-24T02:51:34Z")
What he seems to have given up is Ruthlessness. Be interesting to see how that works out for him. 'Cos, as Maggie said, he’s still a remarkable warrior. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/114 "2009-05-26T16:18:31Z")
He’s declared himself a player, not a character. In doing so, he seems to have gotten around the rules being imposed on him by the world. I wonder how much else he’ll be able to do. “How did you do that?” “I’m what you guys call a user.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/115 "2009-05-26T16:25:45Z")
> [@hotflungwok](#): > > “How did you do that?” > “I’m what you guys call a user.” Interesting analogy… ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/116 "2009-05-26T16:34:17Z")
Another thing. Lord Hamster’s a [Hippiemancer](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0153.html). He’s getting rid of Ruthlessness. How much Ruthlessness does a Hippiemancer need? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/117 "2009-05-26T16:35:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Interesting analogy… You didn’t notice the [parallel](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0016.html)? He even got the position right. I thought it was pretty obvious this was a Tron story. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/118 "2009-05-26T16:35:45Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > What he seems to have given up is Ruthlessness. Be interesting to see how that works out for him. > > 'Cos, as Maggie said, he’s still a remarkable warrior. Actually, he’s giving up: Leadership! Combat! Ruthlessness! It was a [3-in-1](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/erf0118.html) sword. On his own, Parson has a pretty poor Warlord bonus, remember, so it probably boosted him quite a bit – he’d mentioned that Wanda’s _and his_ bonuses were going to turn the courtyard into a meat grinder. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/119 "2009-06-04T04:05:55Z")
[I guess this counts as an update](http://www.erfworld.com/2009/06/summer-updates-001/). ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205/120 "2009-06-04T05:41:30Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > [I guess this counts as an update](http://www.erfworld.com/2009/06/summer-updates-001/). If it happens often enough, it’ll do as an update. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/erfworld-general-discussion-spoilers/488205.md?page=7)