# Eric Holder kills it: You don't want to go there, buddy. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 16, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251 "2014-04-16T13:26:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/1 "2014-04-16T13:26:30Z")
I am surprised [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9eThmzp1Q)\* hasn’t been posted. I love when he wags and shakes his finger at the Congressman Gohmert. His facial expression was pure delight. I only wish Obama would be this forceful in confronting Republicans on their bullshit. Check out the entire exchange below where Eric Holder wishes Gohmert good luck with his “asparagus”. It’s nice to see Democrats with a backbone. - Honesty - The entire exchange in context can be found [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE4MN3tS6fw). ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/2 "2014-04-16T13:34:27Z")
I wouldn’t say “kills it”; given that video, I felt ilke Gohmert came out on top. Forceful, yes. Doesn’t really work for him, though. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/3 "2014-04-16T13:42:17Z")
Gohmert accused Holder of thinking getting held in contempt wasn’t a big deal, Holder said forcefully that it was a big deal to him. I’m not sure what big issue this resolved, but if it makes you happy to see Holder admit that getting held in contempt mattered to him, good for you. ---
**Author:** ![Honesty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@Honesty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honesty)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/4 "2014-04-16T14:12:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Gohmert accused Holder of thinking getting held in contempt wasn’t a big deal, Holder said forcefully that it was a big deal to him. I’m not sure what big issue this resolved, but if it makes you happy to see Holder admit that getting held in contempt mattered to him, good for you. I think it’s a very big deal. Holder also called the contempt charge unjust and unwarranted\*. In [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9ON91gjtg)exchange with Issa, Holder told him that he should be ashamed of himself in how he has conducted the hearing This is the stuff Democrats should be saying and I’m happy to hear them them say it. Your mileage may vary, however. - Honesty - Which it is. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/5 "2014-04-16T15:56:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > I wouldn’t say “kills it”; given that video, I felt ilke Gohmert came out on top. Youve got to be fucking kidding me. Gohmert actually said “dont disparage my asparagus” (or something very close) on national television. He made a mockery of himself. What a buffoon. I loved it. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/6 "2014-04-16T15:59:30Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > Youve got to be fucking kidding me. Gohmert actually said “dont disparage my asparagus” (or something very close) on national television. He made a mockery of himself. What a buffoon. I loved it. He’s not a buffoon, he’s just proud of his gardening! ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/7 "2014-04-16T16:13:11Z")
> [@Honesty](#): > > I think it’s a very big deal. Holder also called the contempt charge unjust and unwarranted\*. In [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9ON91gjtg)exchange with Issa, Holder told him that he should be ashamed of himself in how he has conducted the hearing This is the stuff Democrats should be saying and I’m happy to hear them them say it. Your mileage may vary, however. > > - Honesty > > - Which it is. The prisoners who insist they are innocent are not better than the prisoners who admit their guilt. Holder earned his contempt citation. When Congress requests documents they get their documents or slap you with contempt. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/8 "2014-04-16T16:47:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The prisoners who insist they are innocent are not better than the prisoners who admit their guilt. Of course they are, if they **are** innocent, which some are. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/9 "2014-04-16T17:03:26Z")
If they are. Holder was not. The vote to hold him in contempt was overwhelming, and he clearly lied to Congress, as well as withheld requested documents. Holder’s issue seems to be that Fast and Furious wasn’t important enough to justify Congress holding him in contempt. That’s not his decision to make. Congress provides oversight and the administration is supposed to comply with that oversight whether they like it or not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/10 "2014-04-16T18:58:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > and he clearly lied to Congress No, he did not clearly lie to Congress. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/11 "2014-04-16T19:02:47Z")
Oh, never mind then. LOL. If that’s true, how come Democrats didn’t back him up? Why did 17 join the GOP and the rest chicken out and not vote at all? Leaving that aside, it sure looks to me like he lied. Perhaps you’d like to explain how he was truthful. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/12 "2014-04-16T19:06:11Z")
I wonder why so many people think it’s okay for an administration to withhold requested documents that Congress subpoenas. If a corporation did that, no one would question Congress’ right to those documents, no matter how unjustified the investigation. Congress has the right to subpoena documents. The AG does not get to decide whether Congress’ oversight is being carried out properly or not. That’s for the voters to decide. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/13 "2014-04-16T19:37:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Why did 17 join the GOP and the rest chicken out and not vote at all? So soon after claiming the vote was “overwhelming”, as if the case in favor of it was convincing? Really? :rolleyes: I think you know why a party would consider an act of rank partisan spite by the other party to be beneath their participation. Or maybe you don’t know, doesn’t matter. Now, perhaps you can point out the lie you think \*Holder \*told. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/14 "2014-04-16T19:47:28Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Leaving that aside, it sure looks to me like he lied. Perhaps you’d like to explain how he was truthful. Please remind me, what exactly was the statement in question? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/15 "2014-04-16T20:40:13Z")
**adaher** is a Big Thinker, piddling details are not his strong suit. Only lesser minds, like you, insist on nagging about facts. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/16 "2014-04-17T02:53:09Z")
For starters, he claimed he’d only heard about Fast and Furious a few weeks before the hearing. > **[Did Eric Holder Lie To Congress About Operation Fast & Furious?](https://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-eric-holder-lie-to-congress-about-operation-fast-furious/)** > > A new report from CBS News indicates that Attorney General Eric Holder wasn't entirely truthful when Congress asked him about when he first learned of the Fast & Furious operation: > WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney... CBS News, those partisan pricks. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/17 "2014-04-17T06:40:09Z")
The only people who are holding Congress in contempt are the Republicans turning it into a three-ring circus. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/18 "2014-04-17T16:10:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For starters, he claimed he’d only heard about Fast and Furious a few weeks before the hearing. Do you ever read your own cites? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/19 "2014-04-17T16:14:31Z")
Frankly, I’d hold being held in contempt by THIS Congress to be a badge of honor. If the majority of the certifiable inmates in an asylum vote that you’re an asshole, there’s a good chance you’re actually kind of a nice guy. Not to mention that holding Congress in contempt, personally, is the only sane response to the modern GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251/20 "2014-04-17T16:20:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > For starters, he claimed he’d only heard about Fast and Furious a few weeks before the hearing. > > [http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-eric-holder-lie-to-congress-about-operation-fast-furious/](http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-eric-holder-lie-to-congress-about-operation-fast-furious/) > > CBS News, those partisan pricks. Why don’t you point out the lie to us; I’m not seeing it. I’m also not seeing where he said what you claim he said. It’s looking like you’re wrong again, **adaher**. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-kills-it-you-dont-want-to-go-there-buddy/686251.md?page=2)