# Eric Holder Resigning **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 25, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539 "2014-09-25T16:36:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/41 "2014-09-26T00:09:49Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Don’t be _that_ guy. The guy that points out the obvious? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/42 "2014-09-26T00:46:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > He was a historic figure. > > The first US Attorney General to be held in both civil and criminal contempt. [Cite.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder) > > Regards, > Shodan I’m still shocked that the House never impeached him over those. Even if you’re a Holder supporter you gotta admit it’s something the House Pubs would have tried even though the Senate would never have convicted him. ---
**Author:** ![rbroome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/838e76/32.png) [@rbroome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rbroome)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/43 "2014-09-26T01:59:36Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > I’m still shocked that the House never impeached him over those. Even if you’re a Holder supporter you gotta admit it’s something the House Pubs would have tried even though the Senate would never have convicted him. What would be the point? They already got all the publicity they could get from this issue. Belaboring a dead issue doesn’t gain the Republicans any more air time. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/44 "2014-09-26T02:16:48Z")
> [@rbroome](#): > > What would be the point? They already got all the publicity they could get from this issue. Belaboring a dead issue doesn’t gain the Republicans any more air time. Do they need a point? Besides, what a great spectacle for the Pubs having the second cabinet member ever impeached on trial? ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/45 "2014-09-26T02:24:59Z")
An impeachment trial would have exposed their political grandstanding bullshit for what is was, and made them look like a bunch of asses. They knew enough to keep the story within the Faux News bubble. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/46 "2014-09-26T02:34:59Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > An impeachment trial would have exposed their political grandstanding bullshit for what is was, and made them look like a bunch of asses. And that has stopped them when? ---
**Author:** ![Twoflower](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/twoflower/32/22_2.png) [@Twoflower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twoflower)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/47 "2014-09-26T03:04:11Z")
I haven’t heard of any impeachment trials since Clinton. There’s just enough talk of impeaching Obama to feet red meat to the tea partiers, but any suggestion of an actual impeachment resolution is quickly squelched. There have been no honest, non-partisan investigations of any of the so-called scandals. They’ve actually done quite well at avoiding any honest debate. Why change now? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/48 "2014-09-26T04:12:52Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > I haven’t heard of any impeachment trials since Clinton. There’s been one since then, but it wasn’t a big deal politically. It was “just” a corrupt judge, and pretty much everybody agreed he was corrupt. The vote was 96-0 to convict. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/49 "2014-09-26T05:09:58Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > There was a massive amount of financial crime which resulted in the financial catastrophes and bank bailouts at the end of the Bush and beginning of the Obama administration. > > Holder prosecuted virtually none of it. This was a big disappointment. I was also disappointed that he did not go after voter intimidation and other suppress the vote efforts. But to say he was the worst attorney general is to forget Mitchell, Gonzalez, Ashcroft, Meese and many others. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/50 "2014-09-26T14:28:49Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > **Shodan** : In both cases, per your own link, contempt of Congress for ridiculous partisan attacks by House Republicans related to the above-described Fast and Furious bogus Fox scandal. No, your assertion is stupid and wrong. It’s based on partisanship and is therefore worthless. > [@](#): > > Holder responded to the vote, describing it as “the regrettable culmination of what became a misguided and politically motivated investigation in an election year.” This is a lie. Holder was covering up, and a follow up for a previous lie in which he denied knowing about the scandal. Holder connived at a cover up for an operation that killed American citizens, and lied about it. He refused to produce the documents that showed when Obama knew about it. Obama then invoked executive privilege to prevent anyone finding out the facts of what he knew and when he knew it. And before you go on with the usual worthless ranting about how you don’t think I have any credibiilty, I care nothing for your opinions about me, find a large proportion of your posts contemptible, and generally regard your condemnation to be more a sign that a position has merit than the reverse. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![davida03801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5e925/32.png) [@davida03801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davida03801)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/51 "2014-09-26T15:15:57Z")
If Holder was a White Republican with the same record while as Attorney General all of his defenders here would be screaming for him to march directly to prison. We all know that is true. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/52 "2014-09-26T15:22:38Z")
> [@davida03801](#): > > If Holder was a White Republican with the same record while as Attorney General all of his defenders here would be screaming for him to march directly to prison. > > We all know that is true. Could you please define the words “we,” “know,” and “true?” I think I got the rest of that sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/53 "2014-09-26T15:26:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Holder connived at a cover up for an operation that killed American citizens, and lied about it. He refused to produce the documents that showed when Obama knew about it. Obama then invoked executive privilege to prevent anyone finding out the facts of what he knew and when he knew it. What can we say? They learned from GWB’s best. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/54 "2014-09-26T15:53:24Z")
What a scary place it must be, living inside the head of someone who thinks anything Darrell Issa wishes were true _is_ true. [Here, **Shodan** , educate yourself.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_And_Furious_scandal) Then consider how the national interest just might actually require not indulging children’s tantrums any more than necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/55 "2014-09-26T19:44:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, your assertion is stupid and wrong. It’s based on partisanship and is therefore worthless. > And before you go on with the usual worthless ranting about how you don’t think I have any credibiilty, I care nothing for your opinions about me, find a large proportion of your posts contemptible, and generally regard your condemnation to be more a sign that a position has merit than the reverse. > > Regards, > Shodan Let’s dial back the harsh/outrage meter a little. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/56 "2014-09-26T20:02:27Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Could you please define the words “we,” “know,” and “true?” I think I got the rest of that sentence. In this context, “we” means those participating in the thread, “know” means to have a correct understanding, and “true” means corresponding with reality. Thus we can accurately predict what happens when you hit the patellar tendon with a hammer, and when anything is mentioned about the various lies and scandals of the Obama administration. It’s the same thing. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/57 "2014-09-26T20:16:00Z")
If there were some way to turn irony into power, Shodan’s posts would be able to run a small city or at least a medium-sized town. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/58 "2014-09-26T20:23:20Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > In this context, “we” means those participating in the thread, “know” means to have a correct understanding, and “true” means corresponding with reality. Then I take issue with your use of all three of those words, **davida03801**. > [@Shodan](#): > > Thus we can accurately predict what happens when you hit the patellar tendon with a hammer, and when anything is mentioned about the various lies and scandals of the Obama administration. It’s the same thing. I disagree with this, too, **davida03801**. You can think Holder did exemplary work on a couple of issues and stank on others. For example: > [@Marley23](#): > > But I’ll come back from the dead to say that while I thought a few years ago that he should’ve quit over Fast and Furious - which turned out to be less scandalous than I thought - his work on sentencing reform and civil rights is tremendously meaningful, and so is his recent work with regard to policing and community relations. All of that would represent a huge improvement to the justice system. > [@Marley23](#): > > Which was utterly wrong and unnecessary, and consistent with the administration’s overprosecution of whistleblowers and its hostility toward the press. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/59 "2014-09-26T22:25:25Z")
It’s always a shock to find out that republicans honestly believe their own bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2014, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539/60 "2014-09-26T22:46:01Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s always a shock to find out that republicans honestly believe their own bullshit. Republicans spew bullshit just like Democrats. I sure hope that _profound realization_ hasn’t blinded you to Holder’s numerous shortcomings, and apparent hypocrisy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eric-holder-resigning/699539.md?page=4)