# Espanol or Mexican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 11, 2003, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291 "2003-02-11T04:36:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/41 "2003-02-13T12:24:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **KarlGrenze** \* > Mighy: The “all these people have accent but us” is very usual. 🙂 I do find that other nationalities have accents, but have problem finding the Puertorrican accent others claim we have. Well, almost every other Puertorrican except I, I have an undefined accent that confuses everyone. 🙂 What are you talking about amigo? Puertoricans have a VERY strong accent. We Dominicans are the only ones who don’t have an accent 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/42 "2003-02-13T13:11:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*Repeat after me: > > There is not such thing as “Mexican” (language). They ALSO speak Spanish. > > _No hay tal cosa como lengua mejicana. Ellos también hablan español._ > > Class, you are dismissed. \*\* Y Nahuatl, Purépecha, Totonaco, Otamí, Zapoteco, Pápago entre muchos otras? And words such as chile, chocolate, cacahuate, aguacate, jitomate, coyote, chicle, mezcal and tequila have enriched the Spanish language. Some have even made it into English. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/43 "2003-02-13T13:14:46Z")
Make that entre _muchas_ otras! ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/44 "2003-02-13T15:10:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Puertorriqueño, but don’t sweat it. In fact KarlGrenze, it’s puertoriqueños. At least I think it is. > [@](#): > > Estilicon, haven’t you ever heard of the greatest argentino of all time, Ernesto Guevara? Where do you think he got his nickname? Chula, most famous perhaps but greatest no, most certainly not. There is a long list of Nobel Prizes, independence heroes, writers, scientists, musicians, painters, sportmen, etc before him. > [@](#): > > Y Nahuatl, Purépecha, Totonaco, Otamí, Zapoteco, Pápago entre muchos otras? > > And words such as chile, chocolate, cacahuate, aguacate, jitomate, coyote, chicle, mezcal and tequila have enriched the Spanish language. Some have even made it into English. But the language is still Spanish. In Argentina we have lots of world specially of italian origin and yet we, as well as you, speak spanish. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/45 "2003-02-13T16:05:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **CBEscapee** \* > Y Nahuatl, Purépecha, Totonaco, Otamí, Zapoteco, Pápago entre muchos otras? > > And words such as chile, chocolate, cacahuate, aguacate, jitomate, coyote, chicle, mezcal and tequila have enriched the Spanish language. Some have even made it into English. A few words does not a language make. None of those indians languages are called Mexican, notice you gave them different names. And Mexican indians were not the only ones who added words to Spanish. Our native Tainos did too (huracán, casabe, bohio, Haiti, Caribe, and a long list of other words), that doesn’t constitute Dominicano. If we go by naming a language by how many words it borrowed from another one then we should certainly say we speak Latin (not that a few dimwits haven’t toll me I speak Latin, mind you). 🙂 Mexicans speak Spanish (in general). ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/46 "2003-02-13T16:42:41Z")
Nope, Estilicón. Same as another word for _auto_ is _carro_, same as the word _ferrocarril_, hard r pronunciation between two vowels is written with rr. Of course, if you prounce it with a soft r, then you need only one r. 🙂 Mighty, _puertorriqueños_ may indeed have a strong accent, I just don’t notice. And neither compatriots nor other native-Spanish speakers recognize my accent. [size=1]And you are very deluded about the Dominican accent.[size] 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/47 "2003-02-13T16:47:51Z")
Go on to the streets of Buenos Aires, and ask 1,000 people who the greatest Argentinian of all time is. Go on, I dare you. Sure, some will say Che. But at least 950 of them will say “Diego Armando Maradonna”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/48 "2003-02-13T17:35:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*A few words does not a language make. > > None of those indians languages are called Mexican, notice you gave them different names. And Mexican indians were not the only ones who added words to Spanish. Our native Tainos did too (huracán, casabe, bohio, Haiti, Caribe, and a long list of other words), that doesn’t constitute Dominicano. If we go by naming a language by how many words it borrowed from another one then we should certainly say we speak Latin (not that a few dimwits haven’t toll me I speak Latin, mind you). 🙂 > > Mexicans speak Spanish (in general). \*\* Maybe I didn’t explain myself well enough for you. These are indeed Mexican languages, just as Guadalara or Zacatecas are Mexican cities. Yes there isn’t a language by the name “Mexican” but that isn’t all that clear as what you meant in your other post. At least to me so I guess I misunderstood. And my pointing out words from Mexican indigenous language that have been incorporated into Spanish was only to show others some of influence that New World languages have had on Spanish. It was more in rebuttal to Estilicon’s post saying how Mexico has _ruined_ Castellano. Here in Mexico at least, the language is referred to as Spanish, not Castellano and it has been enhanced not ruined. Besides some different grammar constructs and unique word uses, there are many additions to the vocabulary. I’m sure this is true throughout America. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2003, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/49 "2003-02-13T18:00:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **CBEscapee** \* > Maybe I didn’t explain myself well enough for you. That makes you a member of a very non-exclusive club. 🙂 Ok, I got it. ---
**Author:** ![nani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/58956e/32.png) [@nani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nani)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/50 "2003-02-14T00:47:26Z")
Well, coming from Monterrey, which speaks the _Norteño_ accent of Spanish, I can say that Norteño is the clearest, most refined, just all around greatest Spanish around. If anyone has ruined Spanish, it has been the Royal Academy. They have tried to keep the language pure, not really accepting or creating new words for new terms. Thus, we get a lot of crappy american barbarisms like “surfiar” (to surf) “escaniar” (to scan), that came into poppular usage. I would like to ask Estilicon how he, being Argentinian, can really accuse others of speaking bad Spanish. This from the country that uses “Vos” and speaks like they are getting paid for it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/51 "2003-02-14T01:22:45Z")
Ok, this seem to be another bash estilicon becuase he is handsome, smart and very funny thread Fuck you all. I speak spanish, you don’t. “Vos” is the superior form of “tu”🙂 Coldfire is right Maradona is more than famous in argentina. I don’t like football (don’t repeat it, in argentina that is treason to the fatherland) so I consider him a prick. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/52 "2003-02-14T01:49:07Z")
You may like football more if you lived in Brazil, or perhaps if your team was a _pentacampeón_. 😉 Hey, “vos” was created to confuse people. At least you conjugate the verbs accordingly. From one of my Spanish classes, it came that there were some groups that used “vos”, but conjugated like “tú” or “usted”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![blandart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecd19e/32.png) [@blandart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blandart)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/53 "2003-02-14T03:53:10Z")
Gee whiz, folks! Cathtillians lithp. Charlestonians use thick brogue. Sea islanders speak gullah. Spanish as she is spoke in Ciudad Mejico is different in Acapulco. Oxford dons do not ask ow ar things at ome. Straying off L’Avenida de Revolucion (or something) in Mexico City, I summoned my high school Spanish to ask directions to my hotel. The kind gentlemen listened to my struggling and replied, “Go two blocks that way and hang a right. You’ll see it right away.” We just have to do the best we can. Here we have Mexicans and Gatemalans who can’t understand each other! Buenos noches. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/54 "2003-02-14T05:21:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Estilicon \* > \*\*Ok, this seem to be another bash estilicon becuase he is handsome, smart and very funny thread Fuck you all. I speak spanish, you don’t. \*\* Te crees la gran mierda, Estili, pero ni a pedo llegas. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/55 "2003-02-14T08:13:25Z")
> [@](#): > > You are created the great excrement, Estili, but nor at pedo you arrive. So Estilicon took a crap in this thread and now you want to pedo him to death. 😛 😃 I love babblefish. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/56 "2003-02-14T13:12:34Z")
Bwahaha Estilicon. “Las palmas son mas altas y los puercos comen de ella.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/57 "2003-02-14T20:54:19Z")
> [@](#): > > The palms are but high and the pigs eat of her. Sooo… the pigs are eating a pothead? Yeah, that would about explain Estilicon’s whole life. Especially if one of the pigs was named Monty. ---
**Author:** ![chula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a4c791/32.png) [@chula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chula)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/58 "2003-02-14T21:21:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*Bwahaha Estilicon. > > “Las palmas son mas altas y los puercos comen de ella.” 🙂 \*\* Is that a line from a Juan Luis Guerra song or does it just sound a lot like it? ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/59 "2003-02-14T22:28:30Z")
A line from a Juan Luis Guerra song… from the song _Como abeja al panal_. I like that song…and the whole album, too. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291/60 "2003-02-14T23:20:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*They lisp in spain! \*\* ¡No! The sound of Z and C (before a soft wovel), is _theta_, exactly the same sound as _Th_ in English. Of course, if you think all English speakers are lisping on The, think, Thatcher ASF, I can get the notion, but people in Spain DO NOT lisp. Just because letters that make an s-sound in English, get a Theta-sound in Spanish, doesn’t mean it’s a lisp. Dang, I need to brush up on the phonetical symbols… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/espanol-or-mexican/154291.md?page=4)