# Esprix: Hypocrite, Asshole & also Gay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/1 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")
Esprix for whatever god-forsaken reason decided [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147568&pagenumber=2) that me being straight is unacceptable. Apparently he’s been fucking adjudged the arbiter of all gender roles – I didn’t know! I bitched about getting an unsolicited sex call from a man I met a year ago, _Esprix feels it necessary to respond thusly:_ > [@](#): > > _originally by Esprix_ > Sadly, your reputation and past posts on this board cloud my judgement of you. I say you should’ve taken him up on the offer he probably would’ve made a man out of you. Yeah, I’d say your judgment’s pretty fucking clouded. Dustbowl-style. _Yes, he feels that it’s his right to say when any guy needs a dick up his ass._ What the hell? _When given a chance to clarify his remarks in the morning, he says:_ > [@](#): > > _originally by Esprix_ > Being a man is a wholly separate issue from one’s sexual orientation, so saying “it would make a man out of you” isn’t some kind of heterophobic joke. I’m no less a man because I’m gay, and neither is Ace any less a man because he’s straight. However, IMHO, he’s less of a man because he’s a jerk, and I still say a stiff dick up his ass would do him a world of good. That clear now? It wasn’t a joke, he _actually thinks he has the right to tell people who to sleep with._ Esprix, is a goddamn hypocrite! Nobody has the right to tell anyone else who they should and should not sleep with. Does anyone think if I had been a lesbian woman getting a call from a random straight guy – anyone would be allowed to say “You should have taken a dick up your pussy, It would make a woman out of you.” Hell no! This would be immediately dogpiled here as _hate speech_, and rightfully so. What, since you’re gay and have had troubles, you get exemption from being an asshole? Shit on a stick! Over [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146632&perpage=50&pagenumber=4), Esprix complains about people attacking his life and his love – Hey, Golden Rule, Mr. fucknugget, If you want that – start by not attacking other people’s lives and loves! This hypocrite seems to think it’s ok to minister gender conversions as long as it’s Straight to Gay and not the [other way around.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24874&highlight=conversion) That should be obvious on inspection, but the search engine proves it: > [@](#): > > _originally by Esprix_ > Touting “ex-gays” as a viable psychological alternative is irresponsible, so when is she going to own up to it and repair the damage? So tell me, how is Esprix not a hypocritical (gay) asshole? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/2 "2002-12-04T15:16:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*:So tell me, how is Esprix not a hypocritical (gay) asshole? \*\* The fact that you had to throw that (gay) in quotes like that shows me that you are an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/3 "2002-12-04T15:19:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Epimetheus \* > \*\*The fact that you had to throw that (gay) in quotes like that shows me that you are an asshole. \*\* Damn you beat me to the punch. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/4 "2002-12-04T15:21:47Z")
**Ace** - I would recommend asking a Mod to close this thread asap. It is going to turn really, really nasty. Your thread title alone appears homophobic, because you have included “and gay” alongside two derogatory words. I do not know if you are homophobic or not, but your thread title and OP are questionable, so I suggest you get this thread closed, settle down, and try to repost more carefully, if at all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/5 "2002-12-04T15:27:28Z")
Why? Gay people can’t be hypocritical assholes? They have hypocritical asshole exemption powers? No. They’re like everybody else. Some are wonderful guys whom I love to hang out with, and some are hypocritical assholes. That’s the way of the world of equality. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/6 "2002-12-04T15:28:33Z")
Mo-om!! The mean queer’s grossing me out!! Sorry, Sparky, but the basic premise–that you’ve developed a certain reputation for being a dumbass–remains sound. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/7 "2002-12-04T15:30:26Z")
No, the way you stated it Ace, screams bigotted asshole. Saying Exprix is a hypocrite and an asshole is one thing, throwing in gay for no reason is different. Would you say “that asshole cut me off today” or that “black asshole cut me off today” , if you use the latter, you are a racist, same with arbitarily using gay like you did. ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/8 "2002-12-04T15:31:48Z")
I should add: Because being gay has nothing to do with him being an asshole(not saying he is), same with the fact that the guy that cut you off was black had nothing to do with him cutting you off. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/9 "2002-12-04T15:43:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Epimetheus \* > \*\*I should add: Because being gay has nothing to do with him being an asshole(not saying he is), same with the fact that the guy that cut you off was black had nothing to do with him cutting you off. \*\* I agree, if being gay had nothing to do with Esprix (or the original post) being assholes, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. But, since it was a key part of why they were being assholes, it is not arbitrary, and my words are entirely appropriate. Or can gay people never be assholes? There’s Homophobic assholes, why not heterophobic assholes?! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/10 "2002-12-04T15:44:39Z")
Ace whined: > [@](#): > > So tell me, how is Esprix not a hypocritical (gay) asshole? Because your sorry ass is presently occupying all the available space in that department. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/11 "2002-12-04T15:47:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\ ***Ace** -Your thread title alone appears homophobic, because you have included “and gay” alongside two derogatory words. > > I do not know if you are homophobic or not, but your thread title and OP are questionable, so I suggest you get this thread closed, settle down, and try to repost more carefully, if at all. \*\* _Uh-huh_. I’m sure you mean well, **Istara** , but there’s no reason I can’t put “and gay” alongside anything, is there? Individual people can be both gay and assholish – or if not, I want this clarified, I’m sick of this PC rubbish. Questionable? Hell, everything is “questionable” to some folks. I’m questioning what’s “questionable,” here, so please define what “appears homophobic.” Mentioning that a person is gay in the same paragraph as a derogatory word? In the same page? Then once I get past the gay-censorship brigade, I can maybe post something, you know,“if at all.” ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/12 "2002-12-04T15:49:34Z")
You could at least acknowledge that the (gay) was unnecessary and inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/13 "2002-12-04T15:50:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > I agree, if being gay had nothing to do with Esprix (or the original post) being assholes, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. > > **But, since it was a key part of why they were being assholes, it is not arbitrary, and my words are entirely appropriate.** See, here’s your problem. You seem to equate Esprix’s homosexuality with his reason for behaving (according to you) like an asshole. I have to admit, though, if someone told me a stiff, well you know, up my, well you know, would do me a world of good, I’d be a bit peeved, too. ---
**Author:** ![BottledBlondJeanie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/0ea827/32.png) [@BottledBlondJeanie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BottledBlondJeanie)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/14 "2002-12-04T15:53:30Z")
Not weighing in on the actual merits of **Esprix’s** comments, I do see what \*\*Ace \*\* is attempting to do with his useage of the term ‘gay’ in this thread. ‘Gay’ is a hot button for a lot of individuals and I think he’s acknowledging that **Esprix** is gay, but separating that out from his complaints. C’mon guys, calm down, see it for what it is rather than what you think it may be contrued as. Otherwise you basicaly prove \*\*Ace’s \*\*point that one can NEVER mention that someone is gay and then include derogatory comments about other qualities without being bashed. Although, calling the guy a ‘pipe-smoker’ or something of that nature was probably a vitrioloic mistake… Although I admit to teasing my gay guy friends and calling them ‘Peter Puffers’ meaning it in a completely friendly way…they call me various things, too 🙂 Actually weighing in on **Ace’s** original thread, you subtract that comment and it works…I’d be pissed off, too. The ‘gay’ comment was necessary due to the fact that not only was it a freaking year-old booty call, the caller could not be sure of **Ace’s** orientation. And while getting hit on by someone of the same sex is not a bad thing (which Ace acknowledged) it IS when you’re trying to do a year-old booty call. It’s simply RUDE. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/15 "2002-12-04T15:57:14Z")
> [@](#): > > _The Ace of Swords_ > So tell me, how is Esprix not a hypocritical (gay) asshole? You had me worried for a minute, your OP made it sound bad. But (due to his reputation more than yours) I had a look. I’ve had a few quiet ales, so it wasn’t a good look, but your first quote leaves out a pretty important line: > [@](#): > > _Esprix_ > **Yeah, unsolicited wrong-gendered booty calls in the middle of the night are creepy. I’m with you there.** > > Sadly, your reputation and past posts on this board cloud my judgement of you. I say you should’ve taken him up on the offer he probably would’ve made a man out of you. So the part you quoted is not saying what happened is fine, it’s just a nasty flame saying you are a jolt-needing fuckknuckle. I can see where he’s coming from. ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/16 "2002-12-04T15:58:10Z")
**Ace** - whatever you meant by your post and its title, the positioning of the word “gay” looks like you meant that word _itself_ to be an insult. Which would be homophobic. Eg: “You are smelly, ugly - and also stupid.” vs “You are smelly, ugly - and also black.” Can’t you see the problem with this statement? It reads like the third word is intended to be an insult, whether you meant it to be or not. ---
**Author:** ![Cyrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Cyrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyrin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/17 "2002-12-04T16:00:13Z")
I suppose you have never said one thing and done another… Hypocrite indeed… I’ve been guilty of hypocrisy, **Esprix** is probably a hypocrite (although certainly not for the reasons you mentioned) but you sir, are MOST DEFINATLY a hypocrite! ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/18 "2002-12-04T16:00:21Z")
> [@](#): > > . Does anyone think if I had been a lesbian woman getting a call from a random straight guy – anyone would be allowed to say “You should have taken a dick up your pussy, It would make a woman out of you.” Hell no! This would be immediately dogpiled here as hate speech, and rightfully so. I don’t know about that, honestly. In the right contexts, I don’t think it would bother a lot of women if someone told them that all the needed was a good deep dickin’. Context is key, of course, as is knowing well the recipient of such humor. It’s hardly hate speech _prima facie_. From reading the threads, it seems like **Esprix** thought it was an appropriate context, and clearly you don’t. I agree with **istara** and others. Close this thread, stat. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/19 "2002-12-04T16:00:47Z")
**Ace,** buddy, it looks like you’ve almost worn out that shovel digging a hole for yourself. Here’s another one. Keep going. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/20 "2002-12-04T16:01:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Ace of Swords \* > \*\*I agree, if being gay had nothing to do with Esprix (or the original post) being assholes, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. > > But, since it was a key part of why they were being assholes, it is not arbitrary, and my words are entirely appropriate. > > Or can gay people never be assholes? There’s Homophobic assholes, why not heterophobic assholes?! \*\* Sounds like an absurd justification to me. Yes, he is gay, and his statement reflected his sexuality. However, his “gayness” has nothing to do with him being an asshole. If he was black would you say "Exprix is a hypocritical (black) asshole. Saying he is a hypocritical asshole would work just fine because him being GAY is not relevant to it. You are slopping that statement in there like a spoiled childish bigot. You, sir, are the hypocritical asshole. Not he. But justifiy your homophobic, slimy, bigoted ways any which way you want. It doesn’t change the way that you are a hypocritical (straight) asshole. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=2)