# Esprix: Hypocrite, Asshole & also Gay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/201 "2002-12-05T13:11:52Z")
Thats supposed to be “no one” . I must need a stiff dick in the ass to clear out the head. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/202 "2002-12-05T13:15:52Z")
## quote: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrMyth \* > **There’s really no proof he got any emails, Trion. It’s that whole giant ‘silent majority’ thing rearing its ugly head again.** * * * > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Trion \* > \*\*True. But I can’t help feeling that there may just be a bunch of people who think like **Ace** and are too cowardly to post their opinions on this board - and therefore would offer him support via e-mail. **DanielWithrow**. 🙂 \*\* I can understand why they might be silent because of the example of this thread. No one likes being called an asshat or a homophobe even if they are one and deserve it. What I don’t understand is where the idea that some ‘silent majority’ is supporting Ace’s position came from and is rearing its ugly head in the process. Could not the same be said for Esprix’s position? Maybe I missed something in my on again - off again lurking here. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/203 "2002-12-05T13:45:02Z")
An honest apology that proves that, at bottom, **Esprix** is basically a good guy. d&r. Regards, Shodan Actually, on preview - I think I got the “pipesmoker” reference. Does “skeevy” mean anything specifically other than “nasty”? If it restarts the flames, please disregard. Just trying to expand my vocabulary. - S ---
**Author:** ![MrMyth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e19b73/32.png) [@MrMyth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrMyth)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/204 "2002-12-05T14:04:29Z")
I wasn’t saying that a silent majority was supporting either position. I _was_ saying that **Ace** was saying he had invisible supporters, which more than often is what the ‘silent majority’ is. Thanking conspicuously unnamed supporters is a tactic too well-used around here when a poster finds themselves on the business end of a virtual napalm strike. It’s like saying “All my friends agree with me.” ,which means jack shit if your ‘friends’ aren’t on this message board. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/205 "2002-12-05T14:04:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sublight \* > \*\*What, a reach-around? \*\* Of course. I think it’s the least Esprix could do. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/206 "2002-12-05T14:21:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MrMyth \* > \*\*I wasn’t saying that a silent majority was supporting either position. I _was_ saying that **Ace** was saying he had invisible supporters, which more than often is what the ‘silent majority’ is. > Thanking conspicuously unnamed supporters is a tactic too well-used around here when a poster finds themselves on the business end of a virtual napalm strike. It’s like saying “All my friends agree with me.” ,which means jack shit if your ‘friends’ aren’t on this message board. \*\* Ah, that makes much more sense. I don’t understand why a person would bring friends into any discussion if they weren’t there to defend their position. It is much more satisfying to stand on your own if you think you are right and prove it, than it is to find out you are wrong and realize your friends are as stupid as you are. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/207 "2002-12-05T15:34:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ouisey \* > I knew when I saw the personal insult to Esprix that it would be a well-visited thread. Its like we’re back in school, and there’s a fight behind the gym. Bad idea. **Esprix** is a hair-puller. :flees: ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/208 "2002-12-05T15:38:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Homebrew \* > \*\*Well, I’m unabashedly a bottom and I will tell every man here that, yes indeed, they should take it up the ass every once in a while. It really does feel good. \*\* I think I’ll have to pass on that one. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/209 "2002-12-05T15:40:19Z")
nah, it doesn’t, really. But I saw Esprix’s point, and think Ace overreacted. ---
**Author:** ![Hamadryad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6de8d8/32.png) [@Hamadryad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamadryad)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/210 "2002-12-05T16:07:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*nah, it doesn’t, really. > But I saw Esprix’s point, and think Ace overreacted. \*\* Yeah, but I think Ace overreacted for effect. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/211 "2002-12-05T17:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shodan \* > \*\*An honest apology that proves that, at bottom, **Esprix** is basically a good guy. > > \*\* Haven’t you been reading the thread Shodan? That should read: "An honest apology that proves that, _on top_, **Esprix** is basically a good guy. " Sheesh! Pay attention, won’t cha? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/212 "2002-12-05T17:50:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Hamadryad \* > \*\*Yeah, but I think Ace overreacted for effect. \*\* _Big time_. ---
**Author:** ![Feynn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecb155/32.png) [@Feynn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Feynn)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/213 "2002-12-05T18:05:57Z")
Damn… I thought this thread was done already. I thought that when Esprix apologized this trainwreck would be finished yet it rolls on and on. ON the plus side, I did get to read a bunch of Ace’s previous posts and I don’t see him as being a raging homophobe. Gobear made the most sense of anyone and I am in agreement with what he said. Esprix stepped over the line. He apologized. Ace may have over-reacted but he did have a right to be pissed off. I think Esprix is a decent guy and don’t see too much wrong with Ace either. Let’s stick a fork in this one and call it done. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/214 "2002-12-05T18:50:14Z")
This is ludicrous and insipid. His4Ever, Jersey Diamond & Joe Cool, Ace of Spades and others can make hideous claims and remarks about other religions, sexualities, et al, and even when they are pitted, they are not hounded into an apology. In July I was hounded to apologize for using the term breeder. Now Esprix has been hounded to apologize to Ace of Spades for suggesting he needs a nice, consentual hard dick up the ass to work that stick and bug out that has gotten lodged there. What. The. Fuck. Political correctness gone insane has been seen in both these threads and others. If you want to be offended, fine. Be offended, be VERY offended. Ace of Spades did not deserve an apology, nor did the rest of you who claimed such massive offense. Your criticisms of Esprix appall me. He’s not allowed to be human and lose his temper and cool once in a great while? Esprix has been one of the more moderate gay posters for the nearly four years I have been on this board. I have seen him lose his temper and go for invective very rarely. When he has, I think it has been completely justified. Esprix makes light of the remark he made to Acehole about him recommending a dick in the ass for everyone and being non-discriminatory about it and he gets lambasted further. :rolleyes: Opal had the right idea. She took it with good humour and made a witty comeback. The rest of you who took it upon yourselves to demonize Esprix for that comment seemed to clench your sphincters so hard that the sound of that snapping shut overwhelmed the sound of your minds closing behind it. For a board so dedicated to dispelling ignorance, there seems be some fear where sexuality is concerned. I suggest you crawl off Esprix’s back(he is a top, after all) and examine why you felt you had to respond the way you did. I think it is less about Esprix and more about fear and the rigidity of sexual/gender identity. Let’s not stick a fork in this, it is far from done. I think it needs far more time in the oven at this point because it is raw inside and quite bloody. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/215 "2002-12-05T18:54:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tretiak \* > \*\*Esprix is gay? \*\* **Esprix** is a top? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/216 "2002-12-05T18:57:38Z")
> [@](#): > > I think it is less about Esprix and more about fear and the rigidity of sexual/gender identity. > > Let’s not stick a fork in this, it is far from done. I think it needs far more time in the oven at this point because it is raw inside and quite bloody Are you accusing _me_ of posting from “fear and the rigidity of sexual/gender identity”? The simple truth is that **Esprix** went over the top in his comments, he apologized, let’s move on. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/217 "2002-12-05T18:58:50Z")
[quote] He’s not allowed to be human and lose his temper and cool once in a great while?[/quote[ Of course he is, **Hastur**. And he’s also expected to apologize for it, as we all are. And he has. It doesn’t matter what other people do or have done. What matters is that Esprix is at heart a good and caring person, that he is better than his detractors. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/218 "2002-12-05T19:12:15Z")
gobear and andros: Bullshit. Neither Ace nor anyone else deserved or merited any sort of apology for what Esprix said. He was bullied into it by the pile on of posters, mostly straight, who seemed to take MASSIVE offense. As far as I am concerned with you, gobear, you either respond as Kirkland-lite or you are such an apologist that I wonder if you channel Andrew Sullivan in your spare time. I do not presume to know Esprix’s mind. Everytime I have seen his posts, I believe he is very ethical and generally very thoughtful. My words represent my thoughts and opinion and are not to invalidate Esprix’s apology, though I think none of you deserved it and I feel it was browbeaten out of him. He is a good and caring person. He is far superior to his detractors. Examine yourselves before you pick up your torches again. You have no place to claim damage or attack. If anything, most of you owe Esprix an apology. ---
**Author:** ![ouisey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc29f/32.png) [@ouisey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouisey)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/219 "2002-12-05T19:12:50Z")
Do top guys ever get it in the …? Or is that just the bottom guy? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2002, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/220 "2002-12-05T19:15:38Z")
Depends on the mood of the participant, ouisey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=12)