# Esprix: Hypocrite, Asshole & also Gay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/21 "2002-12-04T16:04:09Z")
Huh. I didn’t read it that way at all. To me, it just looked like he was accusing Esprix of being a one-trick pony by constantly reminding everybody in every post that he’s gay. Oh, wait. Esprix doesn’t do that. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/22 "2002-12-04T16:04:38Z")
Ace: You’re getting baited into acting like a homophobe. You see that, don’t you? Why are you taking the bait? ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/23 "2002-12-04T16:06:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by World Eater \* > \*\*You could at least acknowledge that the (gay) was unnecessary and inappropriate. \*\* If he does that, will people start addressing the assertions that **Esprix** was being a hypocrite and an asshole? From what the OP says, it sure looks like it to me–if I were to say to a female doper that she really needed a good dicking and she’d chill out, or if I were to say to a gay doper of either gender that they should try straight sex and things would look better in the morning, I’d get flamed. And rightly so. Just because someone says he isn’t gay, that doesn’t mean they’re actually a repressed homosexual–quit witnessing to him\* and let him be straight, for cryin’ out loud! [sub] Yes, _witnessing._ An unwelcome thrusting of your values onto someone who doesn’t share them, with the assumption that “it’s for their own good” is nothing less. And it’s no less vile than religious witnessing.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/24 "2002-12-04T16:07:41Z")
Perhaps because it isn’t bait and this is just how he is. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/25 "2002-12-04T16:08:03Z")
Catfish like stink-bait, **Syclla**. White perch go for minnows. Deer love salt-lick. Some creatures just can’t resist. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/26 "2002-12-04T16:09:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by istara \* > \*\ ***Ace**. > Eg: “You are smelly, ugly - and also stupid.” > > vs “You are smelly, ugly - and also black.” > > Can’t you see the problem with this statement? It reads like the third word is intended to be an insult, whether you meant it to be or not. \*\* Not in the context of asking whether a gay individual has immunity from insults on the SDMB. Put the context back in, and the title stands. Further, I sincerely doubt that there exists any uggesting that “hypocritical gay asshole” would not also have been jumped upon? I doubt that to the Nth degree and back - there’s no such wording. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/27 "2002-12-04T16:10:46Z")
Whoa, another fourth-grade wannabe with a secret crush on **Esprix**. How do ya do it, **'sprix**? ---
**Author:** ![matt\_mcl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@matt\_mcl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt_mcl)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/28 "2002-12-04T16:16:26Z")
I find it amusing, and heartwarming, that nearly every member of **Ace** ’s > [@](#): > > gay-censorship brigade is straight. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/29 "2002-12-04T16:18:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > Huh. I didn’t read it that way at all. To me, it just looked like he was accusing Esprix of being a one-trick pony by constantly reminding everybody in every post that he’s gay. For what it’s worth, that’s the way I read it too. And I agree with everything blessedwolf said. Thanks, saved me the trouble of trying to compose a coherent intelligent post myself 😉 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/30 "2002-12-04T16:19:26Z")
Redact to: ‘there exists any wording where “hypocritical gay asshole”’ …(as thoughts collide) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/31 "2002-12-04T16:20:49Z")
Yeah, **matt** , but we’re all self-hating breeders. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/32 "2002-12-04T16:22:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > \*\*I find it amusing, and heartwarming, that nearly every member of **Ace** ’s > > is straight. \*\* But I bet they have the nicest uniforms and marching songs. How does one join up? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/33 "2002-12-04T16:22:23Z")
I agree with JUANITA and BLESSEDWOLF that if you look past the _way_ ACE’s complaint was phrased, the complaint itself is certainly justified. If some guy told me I needed a “good deep dickin’” (MAEGLIN’s term) to “make a woman of me,” I’d be seriously pissed off too. The gayness of the person making the comment doesn’t enter into it. Gay or straight, it’s an outrageously rude thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/34 "2002-12-04T16:22:56Z")
Our uniforms aren’t nearly as cool as yours, **matt** , but at least we don’t wear tights or sing show tunes. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/35 "2002-12-04T16:24:19Z")
Give me my brain cell back, **elf6c**. And for the record, **Jodi** , you are manifestly not one of the people I was thinking of who would get a laugh out of such a remark. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/36 "2002-12-04T16:24:32Z")
**Ace** - “hypocritical gay man” would be acceptable if (and only if) the person was being hypocritical on the subject of being gay. “that gay man is a hypocritical asshole” would also be OK in the above scenario. It’s the juxtaposition of those words that is not. “Gay” is NOT a negative quality. And if he was being hypocritical about any other subject than _ **actually being gay** _ it wouldn’t be relevant to refer to his gayness in an insult. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/37 "2002-12-04T16:24:44Z")
**Blessedwolf** sed: > [@](#): > > Just because someone says he isn’t gay, that doesn’t mean they’re actually a repressed homosexual–quit witnessing to him\* and let him be straight, for cryin’ out loud! In the context of the post, I don’t think **Esprix** was witnessing or assuming that Ace is a repressed homosexual. ---
**Author:** ![Mauvaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mauvaise/32/11084_2.png) [@Mauvaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mauvaise)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/38 "2002-12-04T16:29:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > In the context of the post, I don’t think **Esprix** was witnessing or assuming that Ace is a repressed homosexual. He may not of been assuming that Ace is a repressed homosexual, but _“I still say a stiff dick up his ass would do him a world of good”_ could be construed as witnessing, as defined by blessedwolf in the above post. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/39 "2002-12-04T16:29:48Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by istara \* > [B"that gay man is a hypocritical asshole" would also be OK in the above scenario._\* FWIW I thought this was the effect **Ace** was trying to achieve by putting the “gay” in parenthesis, but this is the last word I’m going to say on the subject, as it is obvious he is hell bent on turning this into “one of those threads”. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/40 "2002-12-04T16:32:13Z")
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