# Esprix: Hypocrite, Asshole & also Gay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/41 "2002-12-04T16:34:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by blessedwolf \* > **If he does that, will people start addressing the assertions that Esprix was being a hypocrite and an asshole?** Hopefully, but I doubt it. This thread has spun off in a different direction, and won’t be coming back anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/42 "2002-12-04T16:38:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mauvaise \* > \*\*He may not of been assuming that Ace is a repressed homosexual, but _“I still say a stiff dick up his ass would do him a world of good”_ could be construed as witnessing, as defined by blessedwolf in the above post. \*\* I suppose. But I guess I don’t see it as a “have a good boning so you’ll turn gay” sort of sentiment, nor as an “every straight man should get laid by another guy” thing. I don’t really see the witnessing, just a specific suggestion to a specific person in a specific situation. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/43 "2002-12-04T16:38:57Z")
Without getting into the issues of who’s right and wrong here, it seems to me that that **Ace** is not being homophobic so much as inferring that **Esprix** is being hypocritical on the subject of hetero/homo relations. It’s not, IMO, a homophobic slur. If **Ace** had written “ **Esprix** is a great, big, fag” then I’d say flame on. But that’s NOT what he did, although I would say that the OP is just a tad distorted and unecessarily hysterical. C’mon, folks, let’s save our outrage for the genuine incidents of homophobia out there. IMO, this isn’t one (although I’m keeping my eyes open.) ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/44 "2002-12-04T16:42:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Maeglin \* > \*\*From reading the threads, it seems like **Esprix** thought it was an appropriate context, and clearly you don’t. > \*\* And here we have the crux of the biscuit. Again, we find that communication with only text leaves a lot to be desired. If Esprix said that with a wink and a smile that would be fine. But saying it here in jest is far open to negative interpretation. If he really meant it, though, that’s pretty rude. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/45 "2002-12-04T16:45:02Z")
**Ace** , the problem with your logic is that gay does not equal heterophobic. If you had said “Esprix: hypocrite, asshole and also heterophobic,” not a person would be jumping on your semantics. > [@](#): > > Or can gay people never be assholes? There’s Homophobic assholes, why not heterophobic assholes?! See, either you’re making a huge non-sequitur, or you’re calling all gay people straight-bashers. That’s the problem here. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/46 "2002-12-04T16:47:08Z")
MAEGLIN – > [@](#): > > And for the record, Jodi, you are manifestly not one of the people I was thinking of who would get a laugh out of such a remark. You will not be surprised to find that in 90 cases out of 100, you are correct – and the other ten better involve a long, fun night out and a _lot_ of drinks. My point is that unless you know the person you’re addressing very well indeed, this is a hugely rude thing to say. I think we can safely assume ESPRIX does not know ACE that well. To simply say “ESPRIX thought it was an appropriate context; you, ACE, apparently disagree” seems to me to be evading the issue, because it is _clearly_ an inappropriate thing to say in this context, and the fact that the insulter thought is was “appropriate” does not serve to _make_ it appropriate by any reasonable standard. Which it wasn’t. Isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/47 "2002-12-04T16:50:32Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **minty green** _ > > Whoa, another fourth-grade wannabe with a secret crush on **Esprix**. How do ya do it, **'sprix**? It’s a gift and a curse. Don’t worry, I’ll be back. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/48 "2002-12-04T16:53:33Z")
To all the posters: remember, there’s not a problem in this world that an evening with a hemaphrodite wouldn’t solve. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/49 "2002-12-04T16:56:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*I don’t really see the witnessing, just a specific suggestion to a specific person in a specific situation. \*\* It’s as much witnessing as saying “You should really come to my church sometime. It would do you good.” ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/50 "2002-12-04T16:58:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > \*\*If some guy told me I needed a “good deep dickin’” (MAEGLIN’s term) to “make a woman of me,” I’d be seriously pissed off too. \*\* I’m intrigued by the logic behind such statements, i.e. the assumption that a certain action will lead to a change in modes of behavior. Does that mean a “good, deep, tonguing” would make a lesbian out of you? Anyway, enough bullshit. For as long as I’ve been on this Board, **Esprix** has displayed his gayness as a badge of honor. I think it’s obvious that no straight person would say to **Ace** what **Esprix** did. Given all that, why is **Ace** “homophobic” for drawing as much attention to **Esprixs’** gayness as **Esprix** does himself? ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/51 "2002-12-04T16:59:01Z")
I agree with **gobear**. And the fact that I didn’t post this opinion until after an openly gay poster means something. I was reading the gaybashing thread before… There are more offensive and important things to get in a tizzy about. **Ace** may well be homophobic, I don’t know, but I think there’s no evidence in this thread and the last that he is. I also think **Esprix** ’s comment was rude, but not inexcusably so. While it may have been awful if the roles were reversed, they weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/52 "2002-12-04T16:59:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\*To all the posters: remember, there’s not a problem in this world that an evening with a hemaphrodite wouldn’t solve. \*\* And three that an evening with a hermphrodite wouldn’t engender. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/53 "2002-12-04T17:00:27Z")
A clip edited out of the Treehouse of Horror episode featuring Citizen Kang: Kang and Kodos are having their final debate before election day: Kang: Stiff cocks for EVERYONE. A series of loud boos with intermingled cheering. Kang looks around, sweating harder than Nixon during his debate with Kennedy. Kang: NO COCKS FOR ANYONE! A series of loud boos with intermingled cheering. Kang looks around, fully perplexed. Kang: Stiff cocks for SOME, hot pussy for others! The crowd cheers wildly! ---
**Author:** ![zut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zut/32/2875_2.png) [@zut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zut)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/54 "2002-12-04T17:09:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > Without getting into the issues of who’s right and wrong here, it seems to me that that **Ace** is not being homophobic so much as inferring that **Esprix** is being hypocritical on the subject of hetero/homo relations. It’s not, IMO, a homophobic slur. FWIW, I agree with **gobear**. Moreover, I think, **Ace** phrased his OP to _specifically_ differentiate between “hypocrite” and “asshole” on the one hand and “gay” on the other. In other words, stating that he’s calling **Esprix** “a hypocrite and asshole who also happens to be gay” and _not_ “a gay asshole hypocrite”. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eonwe \* > [RE: “Or can gay people never be assholes? There’s Homophobic assholes, why not heterophobic assholes?!”] > See, either you’re making a huge non-sequitur, or you’re calling all gay people straight-bashers. That’s the problem here. I don’t see that at all. There’s no implication that all gays are heterophobic, just the implication that those who _are_ get a free pass. ---
**Author:** ![ultress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7c8e57/32.png) [@ultress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultress)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/55 "2002-12-04T17:10:31Z")
Given the fact that our little **Esprix** is a very popular poster and most don’t know **Ace** that well, we all know where this is gonna end up. Tempers flare and things get out of hand. Sometimes you have to take things people say with a grain of salt. I’d close this thread immediately. It serves no purpose, well, other than a chance to let **Esprix** know I still love him and he needs to come back to the East Coast. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/56 "2002-12-04T17:13:33Z")
I can see someone calling someone to the pit with hypocrite and asshole, but being gay shouldn’t have been mentioned. I mena, we all _know_ he’s gay… ---
**Author:** ![Early\_Out](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/57 "2002-12-04T17:14:15Z")
Yo, **Esprix**! If you’re finished here, grab your socks, and I’ll drive you home! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bernse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9a28c/32.png) [@bernse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bernse)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/58 "2002-12-04T17:17:05Z")
The OP could have been worded more carefully, but IMHO the point he is trying to get across is valid. If the shoe was on the other foot (Ace or almost anyone else for that matter) said such and such needed a hard dick in their ass, you could bet there would have been a pile-on from here to the moon. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/59 "2002-12-04T17:27:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bernse \* > \*\*If . . .anyone . . . said such and such needed a hard dick in their ass, you could bet there would have been a pile-on from here to the moon. \*\* Boom chika-wawa. This has been a Dark Brothers presentation. ---
**Author:** ![lurkernomore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d6d6ee/32.png) [@lurkernomore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lurkernomore)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/60 "2002-12-04T17:31:04Z")
Both sides have points here. I may be wrong, but I doubt \*\* Ace \*\* would be so upset if it were a woman who called him > [@](#): > > Fer christ sake, at least find out if I’m gay first you skeevy pipe-smoker! and skeevy pipesmoker certainly sounds as it is meant as an insult. If he just called him a moron, it would be different. “Pipesmoker” does make it sound like being gay is intrinsically bad. But \*\* Esprix’s \*\* > [@](#): > > I say you should’ve taken him up on the offer he probably would’ve made a man out of you. > > ``` > and > > ``` > > I still say a stiff dick up his ass would do him a world of good. make it sound like being gay is intrinsically BETTER. \*\* Ace\*\* has a point when he says > [@](#): > > Does anyone think if I had been a lesbian woman getting a call from a random straight guy – anyone would be allowed to say “You should have taken a dick up your pussy, It would make a woman out of you.” Hell no! It would be considered an insult, and a gay bash. When \*\* Maeglin\*\* said > [@](#): > > I don’t know about that, honestly. In the right contexts, I don’t think it would bother a lot of women if someone told them that all the needed was a good deep dickin’. I assume he wasn’t saying that to a lesbian. More along the lines of “She should get laid” which is something I’ve had said to me too, BUT USUALLY BY PEOPLE WHO KNEW ME BETTER. But his remark was presumably not against her natural (for her) inclinations **Esprix** essentially said \*\* Ace\*\* would be better off if he went against his inclinations. I’m not saying \*\* Ace \*\* can’t be criticized for what he said, but most (not all) people skip over \*\* Esprix’s\*\* remark. If you want to say “He’s a long-time poster, and didn’t mean it that way” or “He’s not like that, it’s an aberration.” OK. But it should be addressed. IMO they both stepped over the line. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=4)