# Esprix: Hypocrite, Asshole & also Gay **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 4, 2002, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443 "2002-12-04T15:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/61 "2002-12-04T17:32:03Z")
I wholly recommend a hard dick in the ass for everyone. I’m very non-discriminatory about that. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/62 "2002-12-04T17:36:59Z")
Yikes. Could you at least do it slow till I get used to it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Venoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@Venoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Venoma)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/63 "2002-12-04T17:38:00Z")
For starters - sorry Esprix, I take it many ways but in the ass isn’t one of them. Secondly - if he wasn’t implying that Ace was a closet homo, he was condoning rape. Yes, rape. If you don’t want to have sex with a man, and a man fucks you in the ass, that’s pretty much rape, ain’t it? Thirdly - I think there are tempers flaring too hot on both sides of the argument here. I don’t think Ace really meant it the way he said it, and I don’t think Esprix really meant it the way he said it (cuz I can’t see him REALLY wishing rape on everyone.) Back to your corners, folks 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/64 "2002-12-04T17:38:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > > **I wholly recommend a hard dick in the ass for everyone. I’m very non-discriminatory about that.** Forget national healthcare and homeland security! We need a governemental department that provides hard dicks in the asses of ALL our citizens! ---
**Author:** ![ultress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/7c8e57/32.png) [@ultress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultress)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/65 "2002-12-04T17:39:37Z")
I’m not that kind of girl \*\* Esprix\*\* ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/66 "2002-12-04T17:44:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ultress \* > \*\*Given the fact that our little **Esprix** is a very popular poster and most don’t know **Ace** that well, we all know where this is gonna end up. \*\* Actually, we know where this thread is gonna end up because we know **Ace** _very_ well indeed. He is (formerly) **Ace0Spades,** and just from the number of Pit threads started about him, the reason he ain’t gonna win this one - regardless of the merits of his rant or lack of same - is that he is considered quite the hysterical fuckwad. He may be right, he may be wrong. But he has long since dug his own hole on these Boards by his own conduct, and the fault lies with him if his words and comments are not charitably interpreted. Sua ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/67 "2002-12-04T17:46:34Z")
And although I’m coming up with my response, allow me to wholeheartedly say, **Venoma** , that I do **NOT** nor did I want anyone to be raped. That’s an odd leap of logic that I’ll quash right now. “Taking someone up on their offer” is not the same as “letting them forcibly fuck you.” Besides, if we’re going to get technical, his caller was the bottom, as he stated. Jeez. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/68 "2002-12-04T17:48:01Z")
Preach it, **Sua**. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/69 "2002-12-04T17:48:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Venoma \* > **For starters - sorry Esprix, I take it many ways but in the ass isn’t one of them. > Secondly - if he wasn’t implying that Ace was a closet homo, he was condoning rape…** So, bisexuality isn’t an option? Dang. I’m gonna have to drop this class. ---
**Author:** ![PhiloVance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e19adc/32.png) [@PhiloVance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhiloVance)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/70 "2002-12-04T17:55:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Early Out \* > \*\*Yo, **Esprix**! If you’re finished here, grab your socks, and I’ll drive you home! 😃 \*\* Hums: **Don we now, our gay apparel!** 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/71 "2002-12-04T18:02:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*I wholly recommend a hard dick in the ass for everyone. I’m very non-discriminatory about that. > > Esprix \*\* I always insists on them buying diiner for me first. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/72 "2002-12-04T18:10:45Z")
I think Esprix was just indicating his dislike and disapproval for Ace in a way that may have been worded wrongly, but seemed funny at the time. It was clearly not a request for Ace to get raped, just for him to get fucked. Because he clearly needed it. A good, long fucking. Doesn’t even have to be by a guy, a woman could do it with some attachments. Go on. Good for you, Ace. It’ll drain away all your stress and those niggling worries. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/73 "2002-12-04T18:11:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > He may be right, he may be wrong. But he has long since dug his own hole on these Boards by his own conduct, and the fault lies with him if his words and comments are not charitably interpreted. > \*\*Sua \*\* **Sua** , you twit, this comment deserves it’s own thread – if only I wasn’t so busy! Yes, yes, let’s by all means let established posters be assholes and hypocrites. Especially if they’re gay, and in the Clique, whatever they want to get away with is fine. Hell, let 'em rape posters who are considered “hysterical fuckwads” by some arbitrary number of people who _just happen_ to disagree with their ideology and _just happen_ to get their head handed to them in other debates. No self-interest there, no – why do you ask? Since you skipped over all the points to make your cheap and ill-mannered shot, I’ll repost the crux of the question: **Don’t you think it’s damn offensive to tell a straight guy he needs to "take it up the ass?"** ---
**Author:** ![Venoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c4cdca/32.png) [@Venoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Venoma)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/74 "2002-12-04T18:14:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > \*\*So, bisexuality isn’t an option? Dang. I’m gonna have to drop this class. \*\* _the bi girl smacks herself on the head_ **DOH!** and Esprix, as I said, I can’t see you really wishing that way - was thinking more of the ‘you could use a stiff dick in the ass’ angle of your comment also. (but I can think of more fun places to put it darnit!) ---
**Author:** ![Tretiak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a88e57/32.png) [@Tretiak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tretiak)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/75 "2002-12-04T18:15:42Z")
Esprix is gay? ---
**Author:** ![Witch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Witch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Witch)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/76 "2002-12-04T18:18:11Z")
Yea, I think what _Esprix_ said is offensive _Ace_. But I think you making “gay” sound like a disease is pretty damn offensive too. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/77 "2002-12-04T18:22:13Z")
Ace…from one het to another you really need to take Scylla’s advice. You may well have a valid point that Esprix’s comment was not nice and illegal, immoral and fattening besides, but you started your previous post on this issue and this one with a hysterical tone that would outdone the nelliest and campiest gays I have ever met at their absolute nelliest and campiest. You. are. a. grown. man and fairly or unfairly, men are different than women and are held to different standards, often for quite practical reasons with respect to social interaction. If some drunken jerk makes a midnight phone call to see if you’re in the mood don’t react like an overdramatic schoolgirl. This dramatic huffing and puffing is unbecoming and childish, and yes you can roll around all day on the ground moaning and squealing about how unfair it is that you are expected to suck it up, brush it off and move on in quiet, dignificed and **manly** manner, but you if don’t you’ll just wind up looking …well, not particularly masculine. I had a gay hair stylist making all kinds of unwanted advances on me about two years ago (it was late and the salon was empty) and he was close to climbing me like a tree. It was uncomfortable and educational at the same time (sort of got a feel for what women go through), but after I got out of the salon, I didn’t go running up and down the street screaming about the rabid queens lusting for my hunkiness or thinking that that he thought I was gay. Be a man. Suck it up and move on. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/78 "2002-12-04T18:23:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > **And although I’m coming up with my response, allow me to wholeheartedly say, Venoma, that I do NOT nor did I want anyone to be raped. That’s an odd leap of logic that I’ll quash right now. “Taking someone up on their offer” is not the same as "letting them forcibly fuck you."** Nonetheless, the statement “you could use a stiff dick” sounds aggressive. The only context I’ve EVER heard that phrase used is when men are talking about women who reject them/would presumably reject them. The implication of that there is something wrong with the target of the statement a rape would fix is pretty clear - that’s the only other way I’ve ever heard it used. I’ve heard more than one man say “she could use a good hard dick in her ass,” or words to that effect and it was always said in anger and it sure wasn’t meant to describe pleasant lovemaking. Inadvertently or not, you used a turn of phrase that would understandably offend a lot of people, and is usually used as a threat. I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way, but it’s an offensive and threatening turn of phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/79 "2002-12-04T18:26:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by astro \* > \*\*Be a man. Suck it up and move on. \*\* 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443/80 "2002-12-04T18:29:23Z")
**Witch** , thank you for you measured tone. Not a lot of that around here. Anyhow, I’m entirely unsure where I make “gay” sound like a disease – that was (I think obviously) not my intent. Gay is a separate facet of Esprix the individual, and therefore was deliberately separated out from the derogatories. “hypocrite, asshole and also gay,” seems to me to be a clear way of saying he is 1st a hypocrite, 2nd and asshole, and 3rdly (but not an insult) gay. I mean, really! He self-identifies as “The Gay Guy.” How can gay be an insult to Esprix? Bullshit. He’s goddamn _strident_ about his gayness. He loves his gayness. Now it’s unmentionable? If I can call him “The Gay Guy,” in his threads _and he loves it_. then I can call him “The Hypocritical Assholish Gay Guy,” even if he doesn’t like it – that’s **equal treatment** and I shouldn’t have to hear it from the homophobe-detection squad. I’m still offended. And I still think he’s a hypocrite which has been unaddressed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/esprix-hypocrite-asshole-also-gay/140443.md?page=5)