# Estimated 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq since invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2004, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809 "2004-10-29T06:02:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/81 "2004-10-30T23:51:19Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Odd, isn’t it, how much regard we have for youth, as though ignorance and callow judgement were virtues to strive for? When the revolution comes . . . ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/82 "2004-10-30T23:53:42Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Does slant-drilling count? Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Zagadka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zagadka/32/7272_2.png) [@Zagadka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zagadka)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/83 "2004-10-30T23:54:16Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Does slant-drilling count? Shhhh! The poor, defenseless, innocent, puppy dog eyed Kuwaitis! Just like the Kurds! ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/84 "2004-10-31T00:23:04Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > Does slant-drilling count? As war? Get real. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/85 "2004-10-31T07:04:15Z")
I don’t think slant-drilling is a cause for war either, **SimonX;** I simply disagree with the implication in **Ryan\_Liam’s** post that Saddam invaded po’ helpless Kuwait because he didn’t have anything else to do on Saturday night. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/86 "2004-10-31T14:45:04Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > I don’t think slant-drilling is a cause for war either, **SimonX;** I simply disagree with the implication in **Ryan\_Liam’s** post that Saddam invaded po’ helpless Kuwait because he didn’t have anything else to do on Saturday night. Well I never claimed that, but what am saying is that Kuwait isn’t dumb enough to anger its much larger and militaristic neigbour, what Saddam did then was similar to mafia extortion to pay off his massive war debts after the Iranian fiasco. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/87 "2004-11-01T02:02:57Z")
Well said, **[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5429819&postcount=68](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5429819&postcount=68)**’luc/b]. > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > When was the last time, Kuwait declared war on Iraq? Attacked Iraq? Excellent query. Care to remind me of what happened next? Because this old foggy appears to recall that a very large, UN-approved coallition of nations led by the US proceeded to kick their asses back to Iraq in no time. In fact, I also recall _backing_ said military response – although the shameful [**highway of death incidents**](http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-593-3127/conflict_war/gulf_war/clip15) only served as a reminder as to why leaders should be so reticent in advocating the use of force. Mindless cheerleaders need not apply either. BTW, must say that I am impressed by the comprehensive and well thought out rebuttal you presented to my last post directed at you. What’s that you say? That since you didn’t even bother to read my posts to begin with, how could I possibly expect such a reply? My point exactly. Glad we agree. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/88 "2004-11-01T02:07:02Z")
Link at the top of prior message was supposed to reference this post by [**elucidator**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5429819&postcount=68) ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/89 "2004-11-01T15:38:08Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Well said, **[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5429819&postcount=68](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5429819&postcount=68)**’luc/b]. > > Excellent query. Care to remind me of what happened next? Because this old foggy appears to recall that a very large, UN-approved coallition of nations led by the US proceeded to kick their asses back to Iraq in no time. In fact, I also recall _backing_ said military response – although the shameful [**highway of death incidents**](http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-593-3127/conflict_war/gulf_war/clip15) only served as a reminder as to why leaders should be so reticent in advocating the use of force. Mindless cheerleaders need not apply either. > > BTW, must say that I am impressed by the comprehensive and well thought out rebuttal you presented to my last post directed at you. > > What’s that you say? That since you didn’t even bother to read my posts to begin with, how could I possibly expect such a reply? > > My point exactly. Glad we agree. Tell me, who were exactly on that Highway of death? Innocent Iraqi troops? No, it was the republican guard, who had raped and pillaged downtown Kuwait City. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/90 "2004-11-01T16:11:20Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Tell me, who were exactly on that Highway of death? Innocent Iraqi troops? No, it was the republican guard, who had raped and pillaged downtown Kuwait City. No, actually, those weren’t Republican Guard troops. Those particular divisions were engaged in an entirely different battle. And frankly, what does that have to do with this war, anyway? We won Gulf War 1991. It was long over. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/91 "2004-11-01T21:05:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, actually, those weren’t Republican Guard troops. Those particular divisions were engaged in an entirely different battle. > > And frankly, what does that have to do with this war, anyway? We won Gulf War 1991. It was long over. Bollocks, even if not the Republican guard, it certainly was Iraqi troops, a viable target when they retreated from Kuwait. War isn’t entirely humanitarian, the aim is to destroy and demoralise the enemy. Stop being so naive. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2004, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809/92 "2004-11-01T21:11:35Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Bollocks, even if not the Republican guard, it certainly was Iraqi troops, a viable target when they retreated from Kuwait. War isn’t entirely humanitarian, the aim is to destroy and demoralise the enemy. Stop being so naive. Do you find the Geneva conventions “quaint”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-100-000-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-since-invasion/271809.md?page=4)