# Estimated Time Until Our Asses Get Kicked Out **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 17, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831 "2011-06-17T14:04:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/81 "2011-06-22T04:07:39Z")
> [@Autolycus](#): > > Strippers are serious business, okay? So I guess tipping with chickens is right out. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/82 "2011-06-22T04:10:06Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > Candid Gamera, I have I believe a pretty well balanced sense of humour and I needed this explained to me. it is not funny. I’m about to sign off for bed now, but I’ll address this point one more time : You say it’s not funny as if that were a fact. It isn’t a fact. That is your opinion. I have a different one, as do many people. You are not the Ultimate Arbiter of Humor. Everything is funny, to someone. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/83 "2011-06-22T04:42:34Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > So I guess tipping with chickens is right out. 😃 for that particular segment of the sex industry yes, eider use cash or go to a different segment of the sex industry where thats acceptable ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/84 "2011-06-22T04:43:44Z")
Jeez, when did cashing a check become such a huge deal? I must be getting old. I zip through the drive-thru window at the bank and cash checks all the time, and I hear you can even deposit them through those new-fangled ATM thingies! I don’t get why the OP thought it would be funny. I also don’t get why anyone would get angry to the point of throwing someone out. Money’s money, folks…write me a check anytime! And don’t strippers get paychecks in addition to their tips? Or do they only work for tips? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/85 "2011-06-22T06:13:05Z")
> [@Max\_Torque](#): > > … they won’t even approach you except maybe to chew you out. How big a tip does THAT need? ---
**Author:** ![filling\_pages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b9bd4f/32.png) [@filling\_pages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filling_pages)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/86 "2011-06-22T19:37:15Z")
> [@kittenblue](#): > > Jeez, when did cashing a check become such a huge deal? I must be getting old. I zip through the drive-thru window at the bank and cash checks all the time, and I hear you can even deposit them through those new-fangled ATM thingies! > > I don’t get why the OP thought it would be funny. I also don’t get why anyone would get angry to the point of throwing someone out. Money’s money, folks…write me a check anytime! And don’t strippers get paychecks in addition to their tips? Or do they only work for tips? Not everyone has a checking account, especially in the working class world and people living off tips. Ever try to get a personal check cashed when you don’t have a checking account? Paychecks, sure, for a fee you can get those cashed any number of places. But one dollar personal checks, signed by a random person? Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/87 "2011-06-24T04:48:04Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > And if I take a wild hair to go up to the counter where she works and start quietly singing the menu under my breath as I contemplate my order, then I’ll do that. It may waste a little time, but it’d be funny. If you sing the menu while selecting your items, for like a minute, or else let the next person order and don’t sing so loud they can’t be heard (if they decide they’d rather order that look at you funny), then fine. If you start belting out the menu song, won’t shut up, won’t order, and are generally creating a scene - well, that is different levels of funny when the manager throws you out of McDonalds and the rest of the store applauds. > [@bengangmo](#): > > Well this is the part that occured to me - but I think the management kinda frowns on you “checking” the strippers. > > Mind you, round here you can try paying with a cheque, but I think the results would be pretty much the same. I assume this is some commentary on checks vs cheques? 'Cause around here, we call those paper thingies from a bank that you assign a value to “checks”. The other would be a “Chekkue”, and that is going to get you funny looks. > [@CandidGamera](#): > > I’m about to sign off for bed now, but I’ll address this point one more time : You say it’s not funny as if that were a fact. It isn’t a fact. That is your opinion. I have a different one, as do many people. You are not the Ultimate Arbiter of Humor. You know what else is funny? Watching other people get kicked in the balls. But that doesn’t make it right to go around kicking strangers in the balls so you can laugh at them. > [@kittenblue](#): > > Jeez, when did cashing a check become such a huge deal? I must be getting old. I zip through the drive-thru window at the bank and cash checks all the time, and I hear you can even deposit them through those new-fangled ATM thingies! Checks are despised because they are too easy to fake/bounce. No one wants to be responsible for verifying that you actually have cash in your account, and are actually the person who owns the bank account with the number shown. Cash is money, checks are a promise of money that you have to take the person’s word. Do you really think people working for tips want to worry about getting stiffed like that? > [@](#): > > I don’t get why the OP thought it would be funny. I also don’t get why anyone would get angry to the point of throwing someone out. It’s being difficult. “We don’t take checks.” “But they’re made out to cash, in preprinted values, see?” “Still not funny.” > [@](#): > > Money’s money, folks…write me a check anytime! Your choice to take checks from random strangers, but don’t be surprised that most people don’t agree with you. > [@](#): > > And don’t strippers get paychecks in addition to their tips? Or do they only work for tips? The specifics of the arrangement are going to vary by location - city, country, club, etc. Around here, if I understand correctly, the girls are “independent contractors”. They have to get permission in order to work in the club, then they pay a fee to the club for allowing them to work there. That fee is determined by when the come in and how long they work. They may also be able to pay off stage, so they don’t have to take a rotation on the stage and can continue to work the floor. Depending on how many girls are there and how busy it is. Some clubs may set schedules for when they work, or they may be able to come in whenever they want. Typically they earn cash, and pay out at the end of each night/shift. It’s a cash business, but they will exchange their singles at the end of the night/shift for $20s. That way the club gets the ones to make change to the customers again. If a customer wants to use a credit card, they tally up the total, then the club pays the stripper in “club dollars” that are paper bits that look like money but have the club logo on them or something - Monopoly money. At the end of the night, the strippers exchange the club money for cash, but there may be an exchange fee associated with that. In other words, the stripper gets paid $19 for the “20” she turns in. So the answer is, no, strippers often are not paid with paychecks. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/88 "2011-06-24T11:24:07Z")
Speaking as someone who has had multiple jobs working with large numbers of people, jokes made at a person’s workplace are similar to ones made when hearing their name for the first time. You may think it’s hilarious, but there’s an almost 100% chance that they’ve heard and seen it all before, and will just think you’re a tool. ---
**Author:** ![CrazyCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@CrazyCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrazyCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/89 "2011-06-24T12:27:53Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > And just because you wouldn’t find it funny doesn’t mean another veterinary employee might not find it funny. I’ve spent 10 years in 4 different clinics watching this kind of stuff go down, and I have _never_ seen anyone be even the tiniest, marginal bit amused by it. Someone might think it was funny, but I’d say odds are strongly against it. Look, in a vet clinic you get there and hit the ground running sometime around 7:45 if you’re lucky. You clean piss and shit and blood and vomit off every conceivable surface in the place, including yourself. You run like a maniac all day long, bouncing from kennel to OR to front desk phone to OR to lab to pharmacy to front desk phone to OR to kennel back to OR during the course of a routine spay. You get out of there at 6 on a really good day, but more commonly 7 or so, and the only time you get to yourself is your lunch and the once or twice you manage to get to the restroom between appointments. We have _plenty_ of work to do on actual animals who actually need actual veterinary care–taking our time and attention away from those animals just because you have too much time on your hands not only makes our day that little bit longer and harder, it takes away from our patients’ care. And that pisses us right the fuck off, because our patients are the reason we’re willing to get up the next day and do it all again. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/90 "2011-06-24T13:05:53Z")
> [@kittenblue](#): > > …write me a check anytime! … As soon as you start pole-dancin’ baby! ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/91 "2011-06-24T16:09:07Z")
[Karl Malden] That’s why I carry American Express Traveler’s Checks. You can use them anywhere you use cash!.. American Express – Don’t leave home without them! [/Karl Malden] ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/92 "2011-06-25T01:25:10Z")
You know, I’m going to admit that I kind of see the humor. _ **In the abstract.** _ A fairly good sketch could be built around it. Actually doing it, however, would be douchey. It violates the primary law of prank based humor. Pranks can be fun _ **between equals,** _\* because if the target dosn’t appriciate your humor, they can call you an asshole and plan revenge. **Pranking someone in an inferior position is just bullying under another name.** That’s why everyone is reacting so strongly to the idea. People in service jobs, whether cashiers or strippers, are **not** a fair target for pranks. They can’t tell you to go fuck yourself without getting fired, and in most cases have to take whatever crap you give them. What you may see as friendly ribbing, they are likely to interpret as being an asshole. Don’t go down that path. That way lies only humor’s ugly, dark reflection. Ordering fake pizzas, mocking fat kids til they cry, and The Jerky Boys. – - Exceptions can be made on a case by case basis, and may be acceptable if the person in the inferior position started the prank war. However, with power comes responsibility. Make sure your target will appreciate the results before proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/93 "2011-06-27T02:14:03Z")
> [@Ura-Maru](#): > > You know, I’m going to admit that I kind of see the humor. _ **In the abstract.** _ A fairly good sketch could be built around it. Thank you. That’s the point. > [@](#): > > Actually doing it, however, would be douchey. It violates the primary law of prank based humor. Pranks can be fun _ **between equals,** _\* because if the target dosn’t appriciate your humor, they can call you an asshole and plan revenge. **Pranking someone in an inferior position is just bullying under another name.** That’s why everyone is reacting so strongly to the idea. > > People in service jobs, whether cashiers or strippers, are **not** a fair target for pranks. They can’t tell you to go fuck yourself without getting fired, and in most cases have to take whatever crap you give them. What you may see as friendly ribbing, they are likely to interpret as being an asshole. I wouldn’t carry this out for a variety of reasons, but in my book, everybody on the face of the Earth is an equal, so I guess I can’t agree with that portion of your reasoning, but the thought about service industry personnel having to maintain a higher standard of restraint with customers is an interesting one. Of course, this isn’t the sort of prank where the object is to humiliate or anger someone, it’s a “customer behaving strangely” gag. So, if I go to a restaurant, and make a point to eat with the wrong end of my silverware whenever the waiter is near the table, I’m not really hassling the waiter for being a waiter, I’m just looking for his involuntary double-take when he notices what’s going on. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/94 "2011-06-27T02:53:39Z")
But your scenario involves more than just acting strangely, it involves trying to give you a service, then essentially stiffing them on the pay. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/95 "2011-06-28T03:03:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > But your scenario involves more than just acting strangely, it involves trying to give you a service, then essentially stiffing them on the pay. Nnnope. Checks are worth money, even if you want to quibble about redemption costs. But thanks for playing! ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/96 "2011-06-28T03:23:35Z")
It’s an insanely stupid plan, one that might (not undeservedly) get you a beating that will make you cry like a little girl. I know that strippers seem like low status people you can fuck with, but the flip side of that equation is that if they get pissed off enough you may not be handled in the solicitous and non-violent manner to which young suburban American males have become accustomed. Seriously, this is juvenile on a level you should be embarrassed of. It conforms to ever stereotype of obnoxious, overprivileged young males down the the part of it being concocted by a bunch of sniggering jackasses in a comic book store, which makes it even more embarassing. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/97 "2011-06-28T03:52:39Z")
The true indicator of your character lies in how you treat those that you deem “beneath” you. ---
**Author:** ![Ura-Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/51bf81/32.png) [@Ura-Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ura-Maru)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/98 "2011-06-28T05:35:01Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I wouldn’t carry this out for a variety of reasons, but in my book, everybody on the face of the Earth is an equal, so I guess I can’t agree with that portion of your reasoning, but the thought about service industry personnel having to maintain a higher standard of restraint with customers is an interesting one. Of course, this isn’t the sort of prank where the object is to humiliate or anger someone, it’s a “customer behaving strangely” gag. > > So, if I go to a restaurant, and make a point to eat with the wrong end of my silverware whenever the waiter is near the table, I’m not really hassling the waiter for being a waiter, I’m just looking for his involuntary double-take when he notices what’s going on. I’m not talking about diplomatic principals. It’s about relative power. People in the service industry, while on the job, are in an inferior **social position** due to the nature of their jobs. Or, to be more specific, they can and will lose their jobs if they are actively rude to their customers. Customers suffer no negative consequences from being rude to service people. If you are rude to a random stranger, he can call you on it, be rude back, or stop associating with you. A cashier or waitress **does not have these options.** Or to be blunt, the waiter is getting paid to serve you dinner, he’s not getting paid to be your floor show as well. He may, **and probably will,** find it humiliating that you’ve decided to treat him as such. **You are taking advantage of the fact he can’t tell you to fuck off.** You do not get to decide how other people will interpret your ribbing. Thus, the only fair targets for it are people who can honestly express displeasure if they don’t like it. If you wouldn’t do it to the bouncer, you shouldn’t do it to the stripper. As far as ribbing goes, I mean. I wouldn’t recommend trying to slip a $5 bill into the bouncers underwear or try to buy a lap dance from him. That would also make a good comedy sketch, but oddly, I don’t think anyone is going to need to convince you not to try it. > [@astro](#): > > down the the part of it being concocted by a bunch of sniggering jackasses in a comic book store, which makes it even more embarassing. Hey! I’m going to be at a comic book store tomorrow night, and, as I find myself amusing, there may be sniggering involved. It rather undercuts the ‘you’re just attacking an [acceptable target](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AcceptableTargets)!’ argument when you follow it up with a cheap shot at another subset of acceptable targets. – And for the record, a check is **not** money. It is a\*\* promise to pay \*\*at a future date, and if you renege on that promise, which is easy to do, the responsibility to collect that debt is entirely on the person you gave the check too. This is a HUGE pain in the ass. That’s why almost no one takes checks anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/99 "2011-06-28T05:59:25Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Nnnope. Checks are worth money, even if you want to quibble about redemption costs. But thanks for playing! To a stripper, checks are worthless. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831/100 "2011-06-28T11:32:33Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Nnnope. Checks are worth money, even if you want to quibble about redemption costs. But thanks for playing! Go ahead with your plan. make sure you use _personal_ checks. The kind with your home address on them. Then, when the boyfriend of the girl you pissed off wants to find you, he can. Bounus points if he sells your account information to a scammer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/estimated-time-until-our-asses-get-kicked-out/585831.md?page=6)