# ETA or MOSSAD?: ABC News Poll **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 12, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889 "2004-03-12T13:29:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/21 "2004-03-12T15:18:56Z")
[From here:](http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm) > [@](#): > > The BLU-82B/C-130 weapon system, nicknamed Commando Vault in Vietnam and Daisy Cutter in Afghanistan, is a high altitude delivery of 15,000 pound conventional bomb, delivered from an MC-130 since it is far too heavy for the bomb racks on any bomber or attack aircraft. Originally designed to create an instant clearing in the jungle, it has been used in Afghanistan as an anti-personnel weapon and as an intimidation weapon because of its very large lethal radius (variously reported as 300-900 feet) combined with flash and sound visible at long distances. It is the largest conventional bomb in existence but is less than one thousandth the power of the Hiroshima nuclear bomb. You can also see a picture showing how large these bombs are. ---
**Author:** ![GarfieldFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a183cd/32.png) [@GarfieldFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GarfieldFan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/22 "2004-03-12T15:21:23Z")
What does ETA stand for? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/23 "2004-03-12T15:22:44Z")
Euskadi Ta Askatasuna. It means “Basque Homeland and Freedom.” ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/24 "2004-03-12T15:24:40Z")
> [@Franklin Philly](#): > > Implant the Fear. Extract the Freedom. > [@Franklin Philly](#): > > Biogted racists like PC multiculturalists have short TV time attention spans. > > The Debate IS TITLED: ETA or Mossad. > > Which? > > Argue. > [@Franklin Philly](#): > > yy Seriously, man, with posts like these, the real debate is how long you will last on these boards (I put the over/under at 57 posts). > [@Franklin Philly](#): > > Okay, the debate. Mossad did it because the type of devices used were Daisy cutter claymore variants. Witnesses say the mines popped up 12 feet into the air befor exploding in fillament shrapnel. And Spain was slated to pull out it’s forces by the middle of the month. > > So there you have it. So let me get this straight. The Israeli Mossad committed this massive strike against Spanish civilians because Spain is pulling its military out AFTER having helped conquer one of Israel’s enemies. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. One would think that the mighty Jewish Conspiracy ™ would not be run by absolute retards. :rolleyes: And I’m not even going to touch your “evidence”. ---
**Author:** ![Jimson\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/838e76/32.png) [@Jimson\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimson_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/25 "2004-03-12T15:31:15Z")
“Dasey cutter claymore varrant”??? Well those four words are just strung together. If you’re going to try and incite roit at least get some of the facts straight. As Marley said Dasey cutters are 1500 lbs or bigger and are air delivered. Claymores don’t bounce. I’ve set them and fired them. The casing may come flying back at you but there is NO bouncing 12 feet in the air. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/26 "2004-03-12T15:36:28Z")
> [@](#): > > Mossad did it because the type of devices used were Daisy cutter claymore variants. Witnesses say the mines popped up 12 feet into the air befor exploding in fillament shrapnel. This is a lie. fabricated by you to further you ludicrous agenda. You cannot support it with anything more than vague references to shadowy, unamed “witnesses”. You know it, everybody here knows it, so why don’t you crawl back under the rock you came from. The fight against ignorance is hard enough without you vomiting your hateful fantasies in every public forum you somehow manage to stumble in to… > [@GarfieldFan](#): > > What does ETA stand for? In FP’s little universe, it means Extra-Terrrestrial Aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/27 "2004-03-12T15:37:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Quote: > Look, if it benefits Israel and the Jew grab for Oil. then yeah sure. > > Eh, yeah, but how does it do this? 1. Blow up train in France. 2. ??? 3. PROFIT. I too liked the daisy cutter/claymore reference. It used to be that you could at least count on your militia wackos to know their armaments. Kids these days. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/28 "2004-03-12T15:39:30Z")
Er, that should be, 1. Blow up train in Spain It’s too early. ---
**Author:** ![Kiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Kiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiger)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/29 "2004-03-12T15:45:40Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > In FP’s little universe, it means Extra-Terrrestrial Aliens. No, no, no. ETA obviously stands for the Judean People’s Front… or is that the People’s Front of Judea? ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/30 "2004-03-12T15:48:36Z")
Heheh - yes - the reference to France _did_ confuse for a moment! What worries me, of course, is that with these references to “claymores”, our little friend will be blaming Scotland next. 🙂 I am also inclined to wonder whether the O.P. would even have _heard_ of ETA until a couple of days ago. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/31 "2004-03-12T15:53:26Z")
Well, my vote is for the Lapland Open Special Extermination Resistance (L.O.S.E.R. for short), if we are going for the ‘usual suspects’. I think this has all the ear marks of an opperation by them…we have motive, oppertunity and a lot of evidence against them (I’m not going to share any of that evidence here though…“My Post Is My Cite”). So we can put this thread to rest now that I’ve proved who REALLY dun it… -XT ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/32 "2004-03-12T15:56:48Z")
> [@](#): > > _Franklin Philly_ > Witnesses say the mines popped up 12 feet into the air befor exploding in fillament shrapnel. [Transcript translated]Q: So we’ve established that these were claymore-style mines because they were shaped like those bar-heaters lonely people have in their flats instead of ducted central heating due to their penury imposed by various ethnic minorities […] A: Yes Q: And can you tell me again why you say they were like daisy cutters [very large bombs that are in fact dropped by aircraft]? A: I thought it would make me sound well-informed. Q: And “fillament shrapnel”? A: Fluoro tubes are totally different. I’d recognise them immediately. [end] **FP** : A paranoid white supremist shit-stirrer might well harbour suspicions (they always do). But to say “So there you have it” is just not credible. Not only do I not take your position seriously, I don’t believe you think it’s a serious argument. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/33 "2004-03-12T15:58:14Z")
In the spirit of the OP, I wanted to make my post a bit dis-jointed (I love this style)…and drop in a dark hint about my ‘evidence’. Didn’t ya’ll think it was curious that they used the new ‘reindeer cutter claymore’ devices…and we all KNOW who makes and uses THOSE things. Also, there were parts of a sleigh and a funny red hat found at the scene… Nuff said. I think its pretty cut and dry. Proceed. -XT ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/34 "2004-03-12T16:06:47Z")
Oh, and the OP had it wrong…they jumped 13 feet in the air, and it wasn’t “exploding in fillament shrapnel” it was special carbon fiber carabou hair force out at near light speed…much more deadly. I don’t understand why people can’t get this stuff straight… -XT _Last post, I promise_ ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889/35 "2004-03-12T17:33:58Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] Locking thread since OP was banned and no one’s about to argue his viewpoint. [Moderator Hat OFF] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/eta-or-mossad-abc-news-poll/233889.md?page=1)