But as I pointed out they are not wrong. Now if they said (for example) “One of the many Titles QE2 has is “Queen of England”” then they’d be wrong. That is not one of her many titles. No one said it was.
But indeed, Elizabeth is Queen in England… and Wales, and etc. In fact she has castles in England and usually lives there. She was crowned in England. Is someone else Queen there?
Trump is also a head of state. It would have been a faux pas to have laid a hand on the Queen: presidents, like queens and movie stars, should know enough about being mauled by the public to avoid that.
Doubtless there are a few people in the world who think that any commoner is inferior to any aristocrat, but aristocrats like the Queen understand real politics and diplomacy, which require respect to countries and deference to power.
Another observation: in the USA, the American flag is given precedence over the UK flag. Even when the Queen is visiting.
Yes, of course. May Queen, Beauty Queen, Dairy Queen. There are lots of queens in England.
I’m not one who particularly believes that I have a right to decide what other people call me, or that everybody has to use the same name: it’s still Paris, Germany and Bombay to me. But alongside that lack of belief is the corresponding belief that the names other people call me don’t define me: She’s not the ‘Queen of England’ just because people call her that.
Which US President did just that in the early 1990’s? Bush Sr or Clinton?
The young Dalai Lama (~16 years old), having fled to India after the Chinese Invasion of Tibet, was greatly amused at a foreign reporter trying to walk stumblingly backwards, that he jumped up and helped the poor man turn around and walk out of the room.
Note that you’ve changed the wording from “Queen of England” (which was in the post that started this whole sub-discussion) to “Queen in England”. She’s arguably a Queen in England in a non-technical sense, as she is a Queen and resides, most of the time, in England; but “Queen of England” is certainly wrong. There is no Kingdom of England that she could possibly be Queen of.
the Queen understand real politics and diplomacy, which require respect to countries and deference to power.
And it may well be that she didn’t mind seeing the back of Trump.
I’m a decent stickler for rules about the British monarch, and a pedant myself, but I do think the community comes down a tad too hard on usage of the term “King/Queen of England”, it is not an extant title, but it is an extant conception, in that England is a distinct country (they have their own national sports teams, the Parliamentary devolutions have created laws that exist in England that do not in Scotland), England has a Queen. Her title is not “Queen of England”, but I don’t think using that term is as manifestly wrong as it’s portrayed here. I have actually observed the term being used “colloquially” in British press and media for decades (albeit not terribly commonly), and I’ve even heard it used by Royals in interviews occasionally.
One of the difficulties with the term is that it assumes that England and the United Kingdom are the same thing. They aren’t. She’s Queen of the United Kingdom which has four components: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Using the term “Queen of England” asserts that England is the United Kingdom.
The deeper difficulty here is that we 'Murricans, having no history or traditions of royalty or aristocracy, have little-to-no knowledge or understanding of royalty and aristocracy, bedrocks though those institutions may be of European sassiety.
I don’t think it’s very widely understood by most Americans how royal and aristocratic titles are organized, granted, or passed around from generation to generation. I, for one, don’t even quite understand the use of the word “created” when someone is given a royal or aristocratic title, as in “Simon McGee was created Duke of Spaghetti”.
Just in the last few days, there has been discussions in the news about how Prince Philip’s various titles will be shifted around to his various heirs, and when. It all seems very obscure.
Fair point. But forget titles for a moment. Let’s talk sovereign states, which has nothing to do with the intricacies of royal titles.
Is there a country called “England” that has status as an internationally recognised sovereign state? Is “England” a member of NATO? or of the UN?
Does the President of the District of Columbia ever welcome the Queen of England to a state dinner, along with the Prime Ministers of Ottawa and Dublin?
“created” = “made”
Simon McGee was made Duke of Spaghetti.
Simon McGee was created Duke of Spaghetti.
As for HM’s title, the way I see it, she is not the Queen of England, but she is the queen of England.
This thread took a wrong turn at Synecdoche. 
Except in a political context, synedoche can be fraught with peril.
For instance, in the US, would it be appropriate to use an opinion poll of white Americans to stand in for the whole of all Americans? Or an opinion poll of male Americans to stand in for all Americans?
Politically, is it appropriate to let one component of the United Kingdom become the stand-in for the other three components?
Bonus points for anyone who can correctly pronounce Synecdoche without looking it up.
In about 5-10 years’ time, it might very well be
I think the problem is that some of us outside the UK tend to think of QE2 as the latest in a long, unbroken line of succession back to William the Conqueror. Realms and titles have changed over time, the constant being sovereignty over England. “King/Queen of England” is common usage for anyone in that line. For example, George III holds a particular place in US history and is most frequently referred to as King of England even though his title was King of Great Britain at the time of the revolution.
Not saying that the practice is technically correct, just that it is common.
I know the kings of England, and I quote the fights historical
From Marathon to Waterloo, in order categorical
Or even before. On the Channel Islands she still has the title Duke of Normandy, which goes all the way back to 933, when William Longsword, Duke of Normandy, gained possession of those islands.
(You’d think Elizabeth would be Duchess of Normandy, but apparently the islanders are a little conservative about titles!)
It depends what you mean by “unbroken”. The Queen is only descended from one person who ruled England between 1509 and 1714 - James VI of Scotland.
As far as I know, she only gets to claim descent from the Normans through the Stewart kings and queens of Scotland, via Margaret Tudor, the wife of James IV.
Sure, but that’s also how all the Stewart monarchs (James I, Charles I, Charles II, James II, William and Mary and Anne) were descended from the Conqueror, via Margaret Tudor.
The Tudor claim was also a bit shaky, being through an illegitimate line.
But the basic point is that every monarch since William I can claim descent from him. There may be some dynastic overthrows, and modifications of descent by act of Parliament, but they can all claim descent from the Conqueror.
It’s just not as straight forward as you’re attempting to make it. The United Kingdom of Great Britain (an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales) and Northern Ireland (an enclave in the Northeastern part of the island of Ireland), has never quite done away with the conception of its predecessor countries. In fact while (for the obvious political reasons) the ruling class in Westminster for many years promoted the idea that everyone was just British, the reality is despite hundreds of years after the Act of Union many many Scots feel that they are a distinct people, the people of Wales largely feel the same way. The last 50 years has seen a greater awakening of these national identities and even legal devolution from the Westminster Parliament. Scotland, England and Wales are genuinely considered countries, which is different from U.S. states. Some colonial era Americans did commingle the term “my country” with referencing their home colony, but that’s not been common usage in over 150+ years.
There is a Peerage of England, there is a Church of England, there is an English Flag, there are England national sports terms. Most importantly there are people who view themselves as being an English people.