# EURO 2012 Poland/Ukraine \[OPEN SPOILERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 2, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883 "2012-06-02T18:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/301 "2012-06-19T19:59:34Z")
I expect I could learn that riff and I’ve never played a brass instrument in my life. 1-0 Sweden too. Good news for England. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/302 "2012-06-19T20:05:44Z")
Nice bit of drama there. Ukraine scored! But the ref didn’t think so. Now England has to win 2-0 at least! ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/303 "2012-06-19T20:08:02Z")
Ukraine very unlucky there. That ball looked to be over the line before Terry cleared. Those officials behind the goal have been useless this tournament - never signal anything as far as I can see. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/304 "2012-06-19T20:08:59Z")
They have an extra ref whose only job is to get those goal line calls correct and he was right there and he blew it. The refs are going to need an armed escort out of the stadium tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/305 "2012-06-19T20:12:06Z")
I don’t think they’re supposed to visibly signal. They do communicate with the ref by wireless, and do have other duties. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/306 "2012-06-19T20:12:37Z")
From my point of view it would be nice if Sweden scored another two or three against France, and then Ukraine equalised with the last kick of this match to put France out 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/307 "2012-06-19T20:14:04Z")
If only there was some **technology** to see if the ball is over the **goal line**. ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/308 "2012-06-19T20:14:51Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > They have an extra ref whose only job is to get those goal line calls correct and he was right there and he blew it. The refs are going to need an armed escort out of the stadium tonight. They need replay. That was just too fast and too close to expect the ref to get it in the moment. The bigger goat of a ref is the assistant on the sideline who keeps blowing offside calls. It’s inexcusable that in 2012 soccer doesn’t have goal line replay in these major tournaments. Just stubborn stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/309 "2012-06-19T20:18:48Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > From my point of view it would be nice if Sweden scored another two or three against France, and then Ukraine equalised with the last kick of this match to put France out 😃 Wouldn’t work; France would still go through because they beat Ukraine in their group game. The only way France can go out is if both France and England lose, and France loses the tiebreaker with England. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/310 "2012-06-19T20:20:33Z")
> [@borschevsky](#): > > Wouldn’t work; France would still go through because they beat Ukraine in their group game. The only way France can go out is if both France and England lose, and France loses the tiebreaker with England. Oh yes. Stupid tie-breaker rules, what’s wrong with straight goal difference? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/311 "2012-06-19T20:21:20Z")
> [@chizzuk](#): > > They need replay. That was just too fast and too close to expect the ref to get it in the moment. The bigger goat of a ref is the assistant on the sideline who keeps blowing offside calls. > > It’s inexcusable that in 2012 soccer doesn’t have goal line replay in these major tournaments. Just stubborn stupidity. They don’t need replay - $100 worth of goal line technology and a chip in the ball would solve it. Replay could help in other situations, though, I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/312 "2012-06-19T20:29:52Z")
Come on now Ukraine, play nice. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/313 "2012-06-19T20:35:37Z")
Sweden 2-0. Quick England, let two goals in! ---
**Author:** ![Indian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@Indian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indian)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/314 "2012-06-19T20:36:26Z")
England wins 1-0. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/315 "2012-06-19T20:37:05Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > They don’t need replay - $100 worth of goal line technology and a chip in the ball would solve it. Replay could help in other situations, though, I agree. FIFA have tested the “chip in the ball” technology and found it isn’t accurate enough. They might adopt a system similar to Hawk-Eye, though, which strikes me as being far better than trusting a chip to be accurate to a few mm in an area the size of a goalmouth. I’m not sure that any wireless positional technology exists that is accurate enough. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/316 "2012-06-19T20:38:11Z")
Well England wins the group. Shame it was with an unspectacular and undeserved win, but at least the group positions would be the same even with a draw. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/317 "2012-06-19T20:41:17Z")
England avoid Spain, which is just as well. Hey, with luck we might be able to lose to the Germans in the semi-final on penalties again. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/318 "2012-06-19T20:42:42Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > England avoid Spain, which is just as well. Hey, with luck we might be able to lose to the Germans in the semi-final on penalties again. 😉 Wouldn’t be a shameful exit, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/319 "2012-06-19T20:48:22Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > Well England wins the group. Shame it was with an unspectacular and undeserved win, but at least the group positions would be the same even with a draw. It was offside! The win was deserved after all! ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883/320 "2012-06-19T20:49:13Z")
Only one tie-breaker needed, and it was resolved with a head-to-head result, which is the best way for ties to be broken. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euro-2012-poland-ukraine-open-spoilers/623883.md?page=17)