# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/181 "2011-04-20T17:33:23Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Ok, the millionaire thing is another PF ref? Don’t give me that do goody good bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/182 "2011-04-20T17:40:19Z")
Liberal: tax and spend. Conservative: borrow and binge. Under the Liberals, Canada had ten years of budget surpluses and paid down part of its debt, thus putting itself in a much better position for the needed borrowing when the recession came. (I don’t consider the stimulus spending in this instance to be bad, even though the Conservatives did it.) The Liberals also retained strong regulation of banks, which prevented a US-style borrowing meltdown in Canada. We simply do better under Liberals. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/183 "2011-04-20T17:48:09Z")
One thing about the OP’er, though - he’s got amazing powers of observation. Surprise, surprise, surprise! ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/184 "2011-04-20T17:51:33Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > One thing about the OP’er, though - he’s got amazing powers of observation. Surprise, surprise, surprise! Wherever he lives he’s _really_ behind the times with his cable channel choices though. I think he only has thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/185 "2011-04-20T17:53:01Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > they have driven away almost all major corporations, I live in California but work for a European corporation. They are doing better than ever, in fact they did very well throughout the “Great Recession”. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/186 "2011-04-20T18:10:09Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > It’s fact, man. > > _Ethnic minorities currently experience higher growth rates than the majority Han population, because they are not under the one-child policy. Their proportion of the population in China has grown from 6.1% in 1953, to 8.04% in 1990, 8.41% in 2000 and 9.44% in 2005._ > > There are now barely ~1.3 billion Han Chinese left! Don’t panic, man, we’ll find a preserve for them. I happen to know of this huge, dangerously underpopulated country in Asia. Unfortunately, its government does not have the best record on conservationism . . . ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/187 "2011-04-20T18:23:24Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > Failed economy? Liberals (Democrats) have no idea how economics work. American conservatives and libertarians on the other hand know how to manage an economy. Also, school uniforms have nothing to do with “professionalism” or better grades or violence. How come the economy does better under Democratic presidents then? And going back to your first post, how come they largely have better health outcomes/education results etc. etc. than we do? Which major corporations have they driven away and where are Muslims starting to take over? ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/188 "2011-04-20T18:44:56Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > school uniforms have nothing to do with “professionalism” or better grades or violence. he’s back! hurrah! However your point is demonstrably wrong. Exhibit a) Angus Young, guitarist with ACDC. Is successful and not a violent man - wears school uniform Exhibit b) Charles Manson - Deranged wierdo, maniac and murderer - does not wear a school uniform I think that is all the evidence I require. And I apologise for derailing slightly with a reference to music. There’ll be no more of that I promise. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/189 "2011-04-20T18:53:05Z")
[QUOTE=Novelty Bobble] However your point is demonstrably wrong. Exhibit a) Angus Young, guitarist with ACDC. Is successful and not a violent man - wears school uniform Exhibit b) Charles Manson - Deranged wierdo, maniac and murderer - does not wear a school uniform [/QUOTE] **Samus** , I think what **Novelty Bobble** means here is: WROOOO-oong ! Do it again ! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/190 "2011-04-20T18:54:05Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > Which one’s Pink, again? I don’t know. I was really drunk at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/191 "2011-04-20T19:01:28Z")
Hey! Dopers! Leave **Samus** alone! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/192 "2011-04-20T19:08:59Z")
Actually, you’re right. And it’s not like his/her assessment is entirely undue, is it ? But the question and debate then becomes, what should Europe do about it ? Should we work straight through the night ? Should we get into fights ? Leave the lights on ? Drop bombs ? Do tours of the East ? Contract diseases ? Bury bones ? Break up homes ? Send flowers by phone ? Take to drink ? Go to shrinks ? Give up meat ? Rarely sleep ? Keep people as pets ? Train dogs ? Race rats ? Fill the attic with cash ? Bury treasure ? Store up leisure ? What, in fact, shall we do to fill the conservative spaces where we used to work ? ETA (I’d like to thank the SDMB for getting me to watch the Wall again. It had been entirely too long) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/193 "2011-04-20T19:19:22Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Which can be solved by such things as limitng water use on wasteful things (ie gardening for instance) and implementing new technologies such as desalination plants. It’s nowhere near that simple; less water wasted on monoculture lawns, sure, but planting trees and shrubs that don’t require extra water, and help scrub the air, is a good thing. > [@Sunspace](#): > > Liberal: tax and spend. Conservative: borrow and binge. > > Under the Liberals, Canada had ten years of budget surpluses and paid down part of its debt, thus putting itself in a much better position for the needed borrowing when the recession came. (I don’t consider the stimulus spending in this instance to be bad, even though the Conservatives did it.) The Liberals also retained strong regulation of banks, which prevented a US-style borrowing meltdown in Canada. > > We simply do better under Liberals. Are you sure you posted this in the right thread? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/194 "2011-04-20T19:30:44Z")
It is actually destroying the entire continent - if you look closely at Norway, it’s really frayed at the edges. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/195 "2011-04-20T19:32:39Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > It is actually destroying the entire continent - if you look closely at Norway, it’s really frayed at the edges. Hey, that’s an award-winning coastline! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/196 "2011-04-20T20:40:44Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > Failed economy? Liberals (Democrats) have no idea how economics work. American conservatives and libertarians on the other hand know how to manage an economy. Also, school uniforms have nothing to do with “professionalism” or better grades or violence. Libertarians know how to “manage an economy”? Is that sort of like how socialists know how to let the free market reign? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/197 "2011-04-20T20:54:45Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Hey, that’s an award-winning coastline! I’m sorry, this is a Pink Floyd cultural reference thread, not a Douglas Adams cultural reference thread. Please turn in your badge on your way out. Or we’ll send you back to mother in a cardboard box. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/198 "2011-04-20T20:57:13Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Hey, that’s an award-winning coastline! Oh how I pine for the fjords. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/199 "2011-04-20T21:03:54Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Please turn in your badge on your way out. Or you’ll be late. ---
**Author:** ![Capitaine\_Zombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e95f7d/32.png) [@Capitaine\_Zombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capitaine_Zombie)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/200 "2011-04-20T21:53:30Z")
I was following on what Marley said the OP was doing in the other locked thread he started (basically post the very same mile long rants on a shitload of other sites) he must have been looking for a place were the grass was greener. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=11)