# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/261 "2011-04-21T02:03:06Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Not at all. According to me some neighborhoods are bad places full of poverty and ignorance. And people perceived as different or unwelcome in those places can get attacked. > > See, this is what we call reasoning. You look at facts and derive opinions from them. We don’t go in search of facts that support our unexamined intuitions. > > Ya dig? thought experiment. Let’s say that islam had 10 followers, just moved into your neighbourhood. They believed, as they do now that women are 2nd class citizens and that gays are horrible people. Would you respect their opinion, or would you call them on it and have none of it. seriously ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/262 "2011-04-21T02:04:10Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Frankly I’m more concerned about the Hottentots in my neighbourhood who are raping grannies and eating babies. You may say that this isn’t happening but that’s because you’re celebrating granny rape and baby eating. You _monsters_. so why would one exclude the other? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/263 "2011-04-21T02:04:12Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > I hope you are not serious with this one… Do you mean that you hope he is not seriously suggesting you may have read the bible lately? I assume so, because while I am no biblical scholar my understanding is that the old testament contains prejudice that would make the KKK blush. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/264 "2011-04-21T02:04:38Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > thought experiment. Let’s say that islam had 10 followers, just moved into your neighbourhood. They believed, as they do now that women are 2nd class citizens and that gays are horrible people. Would you respect their opinion, or would you call them on it and have none of it. seriously I would have none of it. What I wouldn’t do is call it “taking over Europe”. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/265 "2011-04-21T02:06:16Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > thought experiment. Let’s say that islam had 10 followers, just moved into your neighbourhood. They believed, as they do now that women are 2nd class citizens and that gays are horrible people. Would you respect their opinion, or would you call them on it and have none of it. seriously I’d let them live by the laws of my neighborhood. People believe stupid things all the time. Every religion on Earth is utterly stupid, the Abrahamic ones in particular are vile and ignorant. What exactly do you want to happen to those ten people? Do you want to suspend freedom of religion for Muslims? ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/266 "2011-04-21T02:06:20Z")
OP does a ding dong ditch, everyone else responds with sarcasm that eventually devolves into personal slams and lame jokes. Hooooooow is this thread not closed yet? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/267 "2011-04-21T02:07:24Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Do not underestimate the hordes of Islam! They’re. Just. That. Sneaky. > > I think their plan involves replacing people with pods at some point… You didn’t really think falafel was made from chickpeas, did you? ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/268 "2011-04-21T02:07:24Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Do you mean that you hope he is not seriously suggesting you may have read the bible lately? I assume so, because while I am no biblical scholar my understanding is that the old testament contains prejudice that would make the KKK blush. Ok I won’t educate you, but please read up on European history if you don’t see a difference between Islam and western christianity, frankly you made me blush with your ignorance ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/269 "2011-04-21T02:07:33Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > OP does a ding dong ditch, everyone else responds with sarcasm that eventually devolves into personal slams and lame jokes. > > Hooooooow is this thread not closed yet? We have new ignorance to fight and/or mock. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/270 "2011-04-21T02:09:34Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > Ok I won’t educate you, but please read up on European history if you don’t see a difference between Islam and western christianity, frankly you made me blush with your ignorance I’m still waiting for your explanation of how some violent incidents in Sweden mean that Islam is taking over France. I mean, you brought up France as the “best example”. Surely you’ve got some evidence of Islam “taking over”? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/271 "2011-04-21T02:10:00Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > I hope you are not serious with this one… I expect you will soon will regret saying that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/272 "2011-04-21T02:10:06Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > OP does a ding dong ditch, everyone else responds with sarcasm that eventually devolves into personal slams and lame jokes. > > Hooooooow is this thread not closed yet? why, you are not allowed to despise a hateful world-view, are you a sheep? I can take a couple of so called “slams” from the insecure PC mafia ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/273 "2011-04-21T02:13:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m still waiting for your explanation of how some violent incidents in Sweden mean that Islam is taking over France. I mean, you brought up France as the “best example”. Surely you’ve got some evidence of Islam “taking over”? That was a good illustration, do I have good clip for france? I might. If you follow the news in Europe you are free to assess the situation as you like. My main issue is that people call on this problem. We have obvious poisonous ideas starting to contaminate european dialogue. I want zero tolerance on this nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/274 "2011-04-21T02:17:33Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I expect you will soon will regret saying that. 😉 well you could also say that scientology has a couple of rowdy ideas, so? where does this leave us? I am not a christian ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/275 "2011-04-21T02:18:10Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > That was a good illustration, do I have good clip for france? I might. If you follow the news in Europe you are free to assess the situation as you like. My main issue is that people call on this problem. We have obvious poisonous ideas starting to contaminate european dialogue. I want zero tolerance on this nonsense. Would you care to rewrite this post so that it makes sense, please? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/276 "2011-04-21T02:18:18Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > That was a good illustration, do I have good clip for france? I might. If you follow the news in Europe you are free to assess the situation as you like. My main issue is that people call on this problem. We have obvious poisonous ideas starting to contaminate european dialogue. I want zero tolerance on this nonsense. I do follow news in Europe, as it happens, which is how I know that Muslims are not taking over France. There are some cultural clashes relating to Islam but nothing remotely constituting a “takeover”. You [del]lied[/del] exaggerated. Glad to see you finally admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/277 "2011-04-21T02:18:22Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > Ok I won’t educate you, but please read up on European history if you don’t see a difference between Islam and western christianity, frankly you made me blush with your ignorance I made a point about the bible and only the bible and suddenly you are talking about European history. Do I take it that you were wrong about the bible? After you accept that, we can talk about some other points. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/278 "2011-04-21T02:21:23Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > well you could also say that scientology has a couple of rowdy ideas, so? where does this leave us? What does this have to do with anything? Do you know that scientology is not based on anything to do with the bible? ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/279 "2011-04-21T02:23:54Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > I made a point about the bible and only the bible and suddenly you are talking about European history. Do I take it that you were wrong about the bible? After you accept that, we can talk about some other points. how was I wrong about the bible? the bible is a horrible book, however due to a lot of sacrifice and struggle, we are now able to question and ridicule this book. This is a process that has cost thousands of lives. Now it has matured. Islam is a young religion still at it’s infancy, you are not able to question it, it is literally the word of god. If we were talking 500 years ago I could see your point. ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/280 "2011-04-21T02:25:14Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Would you care to rewrite this post so that it makes sense, please? sorry, there is one word missing, I found it, so should you [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=15)