# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/301 "2011-04-21T02:47:31Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > It’s like the sun is the same, in a relative way, but you’re older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death. Very good. That ranks in the top five for appropriateness of all the quotes we’ve shoehorned into this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/302 "2011-04-21T02:48:36Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > and by the way, if you want to take those scriptures seriously and defend them, go ahead. But I have no respect for your beliefs they should be mocked and laughed at just like communism and nazism and other ridiculous beliefs. I “take them seriously” in the sense that they’re interesting historical documents. I’m an atheist, so I don’t “take them seriously” in the sense that I believe there’s no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet, etc. I’m “defending” them in the sense that I’ll argue with people like you who sputter half baked gibberish about them. You may now commence with the mocking and laughing, although I’d appreciate it if you separate clauses in your mockery with commas. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/303 "2011-04-21T02:49:06Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > And people like you can’t think straight. > > […] > > Irrespective of whether Islam is good, bad or indifferent, you are an idiot. Personal insults belong in the Pit, **Gyrate**. Don’t do this again. Since the OP has been banned for crossposting (I found this OP on at least four other sites and his other OP on at six other forums) and for generally being a jerk, I will be closing this soon. I may make an exception if **scamartistry** comes up with a more substantial argument. ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/304 "2011-04-21T02:51:24Z")
[quote=“Frank, post:299, topic:579045”] But you haven’t demonstrated that Islam has taken over Sweden either. You can’t extrapolate an Islamic takeover of France by providing evidence that Sweden hasn’t been taken over. Nr1. Stop brining up other books into the discussion(yes there are horrible books out there Bible being one, Dr Phil’s book are horrible too.), I am specifically talking about islam. If I was calling out a nazi you wouldn’t be going : hey there are communists out there. This is seriously interesting to me though: You actually believe that Quran has the same status in the muslim world as the Bible has in the west. This is not a trick question, but dont you see any difference at all? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/305 "2011-04-21T02:52:20Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > This is seriously interesting to me though: You actually believe that Quran has the same status in the muslim world as the Bible has in the west. This is not a trick question, but dont you see any difference at all? Might be similar to the difference between “the Muslim world” and “the west”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/306 "2011-04-21T02:53:56Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Personal insults belong in the Pit, **Gyrate**. Don’t do this again. Oop. Thought this was in the Pit. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/307 "2011-04-21T02:54:30Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Personal insults belong in the Pit, **Gyrate**. Don’t do this again. > > Since the OP has been banned for crossposting (I found this OP on at least four other sites and his other OP on at six other forums) and for generally being a jerk, I will be closing this soon. I may make an exception if **scamartistry** comes up with a more substantial argument. Ok fair enough, not trying to be a jerk, Just posting my genuine opinions on the matter ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/308 "2011-04-21T02:55:45Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Oop. Thought this was in the Pit. Mea culpa. ps I can handle an “insult” from you, bring it on girlfriend ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/309 "2011-04-21T02:55:57Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Very good. That ranks in the top five for appropriateness of all the quotes we’ve shoehorned into this thread. Thanks, I had to redeem myself after my awful first attempt and middling second. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/310 "2011-04-21T02:59:00Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Islam is just over 3 times older than the United States. In fact, it predates the national idea of most European countries. Discuss. Okey-dokey. A case could be made that the national identity of France dates from Charles Martel’s defeat of the Muslim invasion from Iberia. Perhaps **scamartistry** is simply not yet caught up on his reading of history. (His regarding of Islam as being in its infancy being supporting evidence.) ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/311 "2011-04-21T02:59:34Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Might be similar to the difference between “the Muslim world” and “the west”. meaning what? ---
**Author:** ![scamartistry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@scamartistry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scamartistry)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/312 "2011-04-21T03:01:01Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Okey-dokey. > > A case could be made that the national identity of France dates from Charles Martel’s defeat of the Muslim invasion from Iberia. Perhaps **scamartistry** is simply not yet caught up on his reading of history. (His regarding of Islam as being in its infancy being supporting evidence.) wow! that is super cute. who came up with comparing the age of religions to the age of USA? my god, you guys are awesome. It is a double dare mr “frank”. challenge me on the intricates of islam and european affairs, please ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/313 "2011-04-21T03:03:50Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > wow! that is super cute. who came up with comparing the age of religions to the age of USA? my god, you guys are awesome. Islam predates the national consciousness of most European nations. Discuss. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/314 "2011-04-21T03:04:25Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > …not trying to be a jerk… > [@scamartistry](#): > > ps I can handle an “insult” from you, bring it on girlfriend Riiiiiight. > [@scamartistry](#): > > meaning what? Look at the two phrases and think about whether they’re analogues of one another. Hint: they’re not. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/315 "2011-04-21T03:04:27Z")
Hey, I thought we were talking about Pink Floyd here, how the hell did this thread get derailed into talking about Islam in Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/316 "2011-04-21T03:04:59Z")
> [@scamartistry](#): > > It is a double dare mr “frank”. challenge me on the intricates of islam and european affairs, please Challenge you? More than I already have? On what particular point would you like me to challenge you? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/317 "2011-04-21T03:05:26Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Hey, I thought we were talking about Pink Floyd here, how the hell did this thread get derailed into talking about Islam in Europe? I think it has something to do with flying pigs. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/318 "2011-04-21T03:06:05Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Hey, I thought we were talking about Pink Floyd here, how the hell did this thread get derailed into talking about Islam in Europe? [Apparently it’s the Floyd’s own fault.](http://www.disclose.tv/forum/pink-floyd-song-addressing-islam-t29046.html) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/319 "2011-04-21T03:10:00Z")
Before the thread is closed, I’d like to note that if you read this thread and watch the Wizard of Oz simultaneously, there are amazing parallels. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/320 "2011-04-21T03:11:52Z")
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