# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Implicit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Implicit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Implicit)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/41 "2011-04-20T04:18:17Z")
I’ve heard that Antarctica is the new West. ---
**Author:** ![jabiru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bbce88/32.png) [@jabiru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jabiru)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/42 "2011-04-20T04:28:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Damn. First Europe and now America. And according to recent threads, Africa’s a write-off too. Pretty soon we’re not going to have any continents left. Well, don’t be trying to move to Australia. We also have school uniforms here, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/43 "2011-04-20T04:32:22Z")
The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea concerned about the cultural destruction and decay of the European peoples. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/44 "2011-04-20T04:35:56Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. How so? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/45 "2011-04-20T04:36:23Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea concerned about the cultural destruction and decay of the European peoples. Are you two classmates or something? ---
**Author:** ![Amasia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba9def/32.png) [@Amasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amasia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/46 "2011-04-20T04:45:04Z")
Classmates would make a lot of sense. Finally, this is starting to come together. Refusal to provide citations for assertions, an obvious lack of any training in classical philosophy, debate, logic or rhetoric, and a shared fear of the collapse of Europe. I will posit that no school uniforms were involved. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/47 "2011-04-20T04:58:14Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea concerned about the cultural destruction and decay of the European peoples. Save the French! ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/48 "2011-04-20T05:01:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Save the French! There’s only a scant [110 million](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people) of them left. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/49 "2011-04-20T05:08:02Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > Actually only 2% of schools have uniforms in America, and those are all city schools that only implemented them temporary due to gang colors. Most states don’t have any public schools with uniforms, such as my state. My nieces & nephew go to the same _rural_ public middle & high schools that I did and they were uniforms. The uniform consists of a polo shirt (long or short sleeve) in school colors and khaki pants (I think the girls have the option of a skirt). The policy had nothing to do with gangs; the school board finally got tired of having staff spend time deciding if a given article of clothing was to revealing, the design or logo was inappropriate or offensive, and dealing with parents who disagreed. My ex-SiL is in the PTA and was one of the parents who fought against it, but now loves it. The entire school board was reelected by the way (granted that usually happenes unless someone retires). Oh, and school uniforms are pretty much unheard of in Europe outside of the UK & Ireland (where they’re ubiquitous). Even private schools seldom have. In Germany (according to the German exchange students I was friends with) even dress codes are nonexistant in state schools beyond basic rules of decency and safe regulations in certain classes (ie no sandals in chemistry or long flowing hair in shop class). ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/50 "2011-04-20T05:08:20Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea concerned about the cultural destruction and decay of the European peoples. That’s almost as dumb a post as the OP. “Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups .. concerned about the … decay of the European peoples” Seriously? How on earth could you think we should compare the “peoples” of the largest economy on earth (EU) to Bob the hut living highland tribesman. Fuck but the stupid burns in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/51 "2011-04-20T05:13:46Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > There’s only a scant [110 million](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people) of them left. But how many of them are right now sipping wine and smoking a thin cigarette while wearing a stripped shirt and a bonnet and constantly exclaiming “oh la la!”, like the traditions of their people mandate? Why are anthropologists not worried about that? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/52 "2011-04-20T05:16:59Z")
Dark sarcasm is all very well, but this is really a plaintive cry for help from a patriotic burger munching invasion monkey who sees naught but rack and ruin about their goodselves and wants some people who aren’t alien to their culture to come on down and and join them in enjoying the view from the bottom, so as they can become comfortably numb. ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/53 "2011-04-20T05:17:05Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > The Euro has failed. They have banned guns in most countries. They have socialist “universal” healthcare, they have driven away almost all major corporations, they have created an unfriendly market for the private sector, their economy is tanking worse than America, many of the EU countries no longer have functional governments (Belgium, Italy, etc.), the Muslims are starting to take over Europe (they even have Sharia Courts now), they have school uniforms in some of their public schools, their government funded higher education system is of absolute shit quality, they have to pay higher taxes, and they lack proper freedom of speech. > > And that’s just scratching the surface. By all means, please add to the list. There’s nothing wrong with having universal healthcare. However, it tends to work better when you have a relatively homogenous population with [high trust levels](http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/10/why-do-swedes-trust-more-culture-not.html). Scandanavian countries are an [example](http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2011/01/breaking-matt-yglesias-heart.html): > [@](#): > > I belong to the people who believe that Scandinavia, like Japan, is a cultural outlier. Scandinavians score unbelievably high on things such as work ethic, trustworthiness and cooperation. This interpretation of causality is different: Scandinavians has a large welfare state because they are homogeneous and culturally unique. When other countries (say, southern Europe) copy Nordic policies, the results tend to be worse, because the population is different. As places like [Sweden](http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2011/02/decline-and-fall-of-scandinavian-social.html) import more people who don’t share their values, their welfare state may come under threat: > [@](#): > > Third, immigration costs billions of dollars, which means less money over to welfare state services. > > - Lastly, the immigrants don’t have Lutheran work ethics and strong social pressure not to abuse the welfare state like the Scandinavians. Many non-western immigrants take full advantage of all the generous benefits, and some cheat if they can. This behavior has forced the Scandinavians to make social insurance payments less generous for everybody, and to introduce harsher controls. The unintended consequence is that a 55 year old Swedish working class women with health problems cannot get early retirement as easily as she could in 1985, because the system has become less trusting to everyone due to abuse. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/54 "2011-04-20T05:17:40Z")
> [@Implicit](#): > > I’ve heard that Antarctica is the new West. It’s awfully far south to be the New West. Besides, I thought the New West was in the east these days. That’s what the neo-liberal “neo-conservatives” tell me, anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/55 "2011-04-20T05:21:26Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. The Han Chinese are endangered? ---
**Author:** ![Chen019](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f19dbf/32.png) [@Chen019](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chen019)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/56 "2011-04-20T05:27:45Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > many of the EU countries no longer have functional governments (Belgium, Italy, etc.), the Muslims are starting to take over Europe (they even have Sharia Courts now), they have school uniforms in some of their public schools, add to the list. In relation to the EU, they have created a rod for their own backs with the power of European Courts to make it difficult to deport criminals or economic asylum seekers. As the African population increases, it will be increasingly difficult for them to turn away the [growing influx](http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2010/04/population-replacement-in-algeria.html). This is something Israel is facing [too](http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/african-refugees-hired-to-build-fence-to-keep-migrants-out-of-israel-1.348212). ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/57 "2011-04-20T05:41:44Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This is what we get for electing Obama. Exactly. The OP is prone to hyperbole, but I’m sure all the Eurodopers can agree that whatever problems we have are all America’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/58 "2011-04-20T05:42:30Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The Han Chinese are endangered? It’s fact, man. _Ethnic minorities currently experience higher growth rates than the majority Han population, because they are not under the one-child policy. Their proportion of the population in China has grown from 6.1% in 1953, to 8.04% in 1990, 8.41% in 2000 and 9.44% in 2005._ There are now barely ~1.3 billion Han Chinese left! ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/59 "2011-04-20T05:42:39Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > They have socialist “universal” healthcare… That should be “socialist” universal health care. Fun with contempt-quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/60 "2011-04-20T06:01:57Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > Exactly. The OP is prone to hyperbole, but I’m sure all the Eurodopers can agree that whatever problems we have are all America’s fault. It’s either that or them Jews, we’re not sure yet. [QUOTE=Colibri] Save the French! [/QUOTE] I concur. And the only way my People is getting saved is by raising the everliving piss out of the birth rate. There’s only one way to do that and you, yes YOU can help ! Send any hot females you’ve got over to my place with the utmost urgency. No time to waste, the European race depends on it. It’s an ugly job, but someone’s got to do it. I’m doing my part. Would you like to know more ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=4)