# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/61 "2011-04-20T06:19:31Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > … The Islamic Jihad Plate is slowly pushing Middle Eastern and North African landmasses north and west across the Mediterranean … Wait, so Creeping Sharia really is a threat? :eek: Thank the gods we did fight in the 'Nam or the Gill-Over-the-Ground prolly would’ve destroyed us by now! CMC fnord! Yeaaa, botany jokes! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/62 "2011-04-20T07:32:54Z")
Please, no flowery rhetoric. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/63 "2011-04-20T08:07:10Z")
If Europe gets destroyed, do we have to pay back our bail-out loans? Need answer fast. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/64 "2011-04-20T08:43:13Z")
> [@Sr\_Siete](#): > > But how many of them are right now sipping wine and smoking a thin cigarette while wearing a stripped shirt and a bonnet and constantly exclaiming “oh la la!”, like the traditions of their people mandate? Why are anthropologists not worried about that? Very few because most are now Moozlems and oppress striped shirt wearing using their Amazing Sharia Powers. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/65 "2011-04-20T08:52:43Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > The Euro has failed. Bizarre, given I payed for my breakfast this morning with a shiny two euro coin. When will inform the Italians, so they can switch back to the Lira quickly? > [@samusaran253](#): > > They have banned guns in most countries. There is no country in Europe that has banned guns for those who hunt or need them as part of their job, not even the strictest of the strict, the UK, has completely banned guns. > [@samusaran253](#): > > They have socialist “universal” healthcare Yes, which keeps us healthy, investing in preventative medicine as opposed to the uninsured waiting until they’re near death before attending a doctor’s office, and removes a heavy economic burden from our corporations. > [@samusaran253](#): > > they have driven away almost all major corporations Yeah, it’s not like London’s the financial capital of the entire world, or anything. > [@samusaran253](#): > > they have created an unfriendly market for the private sector [Switzerland, Ireland and Denmark](http://www.heritage.org/index/) are all listed as being more “economically free” than the United States on the Index of Economic Freedom. Most EU countries have [lower corporate taxation](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world) levels than the United States. Germany [exports more](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports) than the United States despite having a fraction of the population, France, Italy and the UK are also in the world’s top ten exporting countries. The EU as a whole exports more than the United States by a factor of around 14. > [@samusaran253](#): > > their economy is tanking worse than America Who? The likes of Portugal, Ireland and Greece are “safe” as long as Germany finds it beneficial to have these economies drag down the euro to favour their exports. > [@samusaran253](#): > > many of the EU countries no longer have functional governments (Belgium, Italy, etc.) The Italians have never had a functioning government. It’s part of their national identity, if you can imagine that they have one. > [@samusaran253](#): > > the Muslims are starting to take over Europe (they even have Sharia Courts now) Sharia Arbitration. We in the UK believe that those engaging in private contracts should have the freedom to decide under what arbitration rules they will settle disputes. Why don’t you? Are you only for freedom of expression when you like the outcome? > [@samusaran253](#): > > they have school uniforms in some of their public schools Good. A school’s a place of learning, not a fashion parade. > [@samusaran253](#): > > their government funded higher education system is of absolute shit quality Oxford, Cambridge, Edinburgh, Durham, King’s College, University College, St. Andrew’s, University College Dublin, Ecole Polytechnique, Paris-Diderot, Chalmers, Goteborg, ITK Copenhagen, and many more. All world class institutions. > [@samusaram253](#): > > they have to pay higher taxes Than who? Somalia? We get more services from the government, so we pay more. > [@samusaram253](#): > > and they lack proper freedom of speech There’s a reason why Wikileaks host their servers in the EU and not in the US. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/66 "2011-04-20T08:52:54Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > How so? Interbreeding. Far too many of them now have the “Innsmouth look”. We’ll all see what that leads to when the stars are right. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/67 "2011-04-20T09:34:26Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > The Euro has failed. They have banned guns in most countries. They have socialist “universal” healthcare, they have driven away almost all major corporations, they have created an unfriendly market for the private sector, their economy is tanking worse than America, many of the EU countries no longer have functional governments (Belgium, Italy, etc.), the Muslims are starting to take over Europe (they even have Sharia Courts now), they have school uniforms in some of their public schools, their government funded higher education system is of absolute shit quality, they have to pay higher taxes, and they lack proper freedom of speech. > > And that’s just scratching the surface. By all means, please add to the list. Scratching the surface of what, exactly? Boo Hoo - Europe isn’t the USA. So what? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/68 "2011-04-20T09:37:50Z")
fish meet barrel ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/69 "2011-04-20T09:37:58Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > What isn’t wrong with them? They only purpose they could ever possibly serve is to force teenagers to become a hive mind instead of individuals. You heard it here first folks. School uniforms - the most evil act of repression of the 20th century. Assuming for a moment the OP is serious, if the intention of school uniforms is to create a race of drones, the failure is absolute, judging by the behaviour of most school children. A question for the OP - have you ever actually visited Europe? ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/70 "2011-04-20T09:47:59Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > You heard it here first folks. School uniforms - the most evil act of repression of the 20th century. Assuming for a moment the OP is serious, if the intention of school uniforms is to create a race of drones, the failure is absolute, judging by the behaviour of most school children. Even groovy hipster liberals get their knickers in a twist on the uniform issue. The hep cats at Boing Boing had a proper paddy when an English school tried to enforce strict uniform and decent standards of behavour: > **[English school principal announces zero tolerance for mismatched socks](https://boingboing.net/2011/04/09/english-school-princ.html)** > > The City of Ely Community College in Cambridgeshire, England has decided to restore discipline to its student body by nonsensically conflating genuinely disruptive behavior (talking in class) with mere individualism… You’d have thought the head teacher was dressing the kids in Hitler Jugend gear from some of the reactions. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/71 "2011-04-20T10:06:37Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > What are you even talking about? And what does this have to do with Europe failing? Stand still laddie! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/72 "2011-04-20T10:23:57Z")
The funny thing is that Belgium, despite being two cultures mashed together who speak different languages and don’t get along very well, and despite being on the verge of breaking in two for years now, still manages to function better as a country than the US sometimes. > [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. Why aren’t the activists who are so concerned with obscure ethnic groups in Papua New Guinea concerned about the cultural destruction and decay of the European peoples. See the alt (mouseover) text for [this xkcd comic](http://xkcd.com/887/). ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/73 "2011-04-20T10:38:32Z")
There 's a black guy right beside me now. He’s Irish, European and a muslim. He’s also hung over and eating a bacon sandwich and curing like a frenchman. Should I take him out now as he’s endangering my cultures future or wait till he’s with some more of his kind? If only we were allowed guns :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/74 "2011-04-20T10:46:13Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > There 's a black guy right beside me now. He’s Irish, European and a muslim. He’s also hung over and eating a bacon sandwich and curing like a frenchman. Should I take him out now as he’s endangering my cultures future or wait till he’s with some more of his kind? Depends. Is he wearing a school uniform? ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/75 "2011-04-20T10:50:44Z")
A very swish suit in fact which is the school uniform of business. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/76 "2011-04-20T10:53:25Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > I couldn’t imagine if they had uniforms when I was in high school, I would probably have killed myself as a teenager. You’d have _killed_ yourself? Over a _school uniform_? May I humbly suggest that an internet messageboard is probably not the likely solution to your issues. And what’s Europe ever done to you? ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/77 "2011-04-20T10:55:56Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > A question for the OP - have you ever actually visited Europe? I assume this is a rhetorical question. The OP is pretty obviously a grotesque caricature, not a photograph. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/78 "2011-04-20T10:58:58Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > > [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > > > The European ethnicities (and East Asiatic ones too) are now endangered ethnicties. > > How so? Well, for starters, last week Cthulhu ate a million Chinese, and an hour later he was hungry again… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/79 "2011-04-20T11:05:35Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > The Euro has failed. They have banned guns in most countries. They have socialist “universal” healthcare, they have driven away almost all major corporations, they have created an unfriendly market for the private sector, their economy is tanking worse than America, many of the EU countries no longer have functional governments (Belgium, Italy, etc.), the Muslims are starting to take over Europe (they even have Sharia Courts now), they have school uniforms in some of their public schools, their government funded higher education system is of absolute shit quality, they have to pay higher taxes, and they lack proper freedom of speech. > > And that’s just scratching the surface. By all means, please add to the list. Samus Aran is a talented courageous, intelligent, and informed bounty hunter. I have played as Samus Aran, you are no Samus Aran. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/80 "2011-04-20T11:06:34Z")
> [@Chen019](#): > > As places like [Sweden](http://super-economy.blogspot.com/2011/02/decline-and-fall-of-scandinavian-social.html) import more people who don’t share their values, their welfare state may come under threat: > > > [@](#): > > > > Many non-western immigrants take full advantage of all the generous benefits, and some cheat if they can. This behavior has forced the Scandinavians to make social insurance payments less generous for everybody, and to introduce harsher controls. The unintended consequence is that a 55 year old Swedish working class women with health problems cannot get early retirement as easily as she could in 1985, because the system has become less trusting to everyone due to abuse. This is a great addition to a thread of this quality. I mean, why is state-subsidized retirement in Sweden less generous now than in 1985? Is it because of the ageing demographics of that country, like most of the industrialized world? Nah, it’s because of the funny-colour people cheating on healthcare dammit! Getting treatment for things they don’t have! If Europe doesn’t see the error of its ways with UHC, it will end up with a healthcare system as bad as america’s: where healthcare spending per head of the population is more than double any other country, and yet millions are uninsured. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=5)