# Europe has become far too liberal, and now it's destroying the entire continent **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 20, 2011, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045 "2011-04-20T03:04:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/81 "2011-04-20T11:07:52Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Very few because most are now Moozlems and oppress striped shirt wearing using their Amazing Sharia Powers. Does the Amazing Sharia™ get you access to the 72 Virgins after you decode the Secret Message? :eek: omg stay tooned ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/82 "2011-04-20T11:09:19Z")
> [@samusaran253](#): > > they have socialist “universal” healthcare When I was child I had a fever, my hands felt just like two balloons. Thankfully the NHS took care of me and it soon cleared up. At no direct cost to my parents I might add. And that matters because we were a single parent family. My dad wasn’t around and my mother…well let’s just say she had “issues” shall we? Thankfully none of this has affected me in later life ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/83 "2011-04-20T11:11:20Z")
They have lower crime rates, better health, longer vacations, and lower unemployment rates. They sure do know how to destroy themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/84 "2011-04-20T11:14:01Z")
**samusaran253** , I have a feeling that either you’re going for a world record for incorrect statements in a single thread or that you’re trying to push people’s buttons. I am going to close this thread unless you support some of your arguments with credible, well thought-out citations. Sorry I had to meddle with this thread. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/85 "2011-04-20T11:14:08Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > They have lower crime rates, better health, longer vacations, and lower unemployment rates. They sure do know how to destroy themselves. Adversity makes you strong! Crom does not approve of Universal Health Care! _\_ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/86 "2011-04-20T11:29:27Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > They have lower crime rates, better health, longer vacations, and lower unemployment rates. They sure do know how to destroy themselves. Indeed! ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/87 "2011-04-20T11:31:06Z")
> [@Rhythmdvl](#): > > It feels like we’ve always been at war with Eurasia. While some people think of it as the happiest days of our lives, most just wish we’d bring the boys back home. Rythmdvl is double-plus-good duckspeaker. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/88 "2011-04-20T11:39:10Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > I mean, why is state-subsidized retirement in Sweden less generous now than in 1985? Is it because of the ageing demographics of that country, like most of the industrialized world? Another factor is the increasing costs of providing more advanced treatments. > [@Princhester](#): > > I assume this is a rhetorical question. The OP is pretty obviously a grotesque caricature, not a photograph. I’m fairly sure the answer to my question is no. If the OP’s views are genuine, I’d like them to consider how accurate their view of European life actually is. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/89 "2011-04-20T11:39:22Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > If only we were allowed guns :rolleyes: But we are. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/90 "2011-04-20T11:47:53Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > There 's a black guy right beside me now. He’s Irish, European and a muslim. He’s also hung over and eating a bacon sandwich **and curing like a frenchman**. Respect! A muslim who not only eats bacon but actually brines his own… in the gallic lardon style as well! ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/91 "2011-04-20T12:09:41Z")
:smack: Hehe! cursing, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/92 "2011-04-20T12:10:50Z")
> [@An\_Gadai](#): > > But we are. 🆒 Boring shotguns. I want a TEK 9 or an AK. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/93 "2011-04-20T12:14:40Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I am going to close this thread unless you support some of your arguments with credible, well thought-out citations. Hey, careful with that axe. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/94 "2011-04-20T12:17:34Z")
> [@Candyman74](#): > > You’d have _killed_ yourself? Over a _school uniform_? May I humbly suggest that an internet messageboard is probably not the likely solution to your issues. Clearly some kind of spinal column is a necessary part of European school uniforms, as the uniform-related suicide rate is - I think - quite low. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/95 "2011-04-20T12:19:17Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Boring shotguns. I want a TEK 9 or an AK. Yeah, it’s a pity we live in this fascist state. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/96 "2011-04-20T12:20:22Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > This is a great addition to a thread of this quality. > > I mean, why is state-subsidized retirement in Sweden less generous now than in 1985? Is it because of the ageing demographics of that country, like most of the industrialized world? > Nah, it’s because of the funny-colour people cheating on healthcare dammit! Getting treatment for things they don’t have! > > If Europe doesn’t see the error of its ways with UHC, it will end up with a healthcare system as bad as america’s: where healthcare spending per head of the population is more than double any other country, and yet millions are uninsured. Here is something you can discuss, as a difference between the USA and Europe. The successful integration of immigrants into the workforce. In Denmark for instance, only 24% of Somali men (18-65) have a job, and a measly 10% of Somali women. 2009 numbers, at that time the overall unemployment rate was around 1.4% (it’s now around 3.6% or something. But I’m pretty sure it has risen more for the Somalis than for the rest of the population) 76%/90% unemployment rate. I’m sure the USA does better than that. The high taxes drive up minimum salaries to a point above where it makes economic sense for companies to hire people with very few skills. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/97 "2011-04-20T12:34:51Z")
Interesting datapoint. Does this mean you agree with the OP, **Rune**? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/98 "2011-04-20T12:35:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hey, careful with that axe. Are you advocating Eugenics? :eek: CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/99 "2011-04-20T12:39:00Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Are you advocating Eugenics? It was a momentary lapse. ---
**Author:** ![howye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9adbd/32.png) [@howye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/howye)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045/100 "2011-04-20T12:42:58Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > Depends. Is he wearing a school uniform? Are Depends part of the school uniform? 'Cause that is just sick! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europe-has-become-far-too-liberal-and-now-its-destroying-the-entire-continent/579045.md?page=6)