# Europe's anti-Semitism crisis **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 25, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130 "2015-07-25T02:50:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![gracefulfatsheba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a3d4f5/32.png) [@gracefulfatsheba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gracefulfatsheba)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/101 "2015-07-27T00:39:35Z")
Out of curiosity Haberdash, what is your solution the problems you claim to identify? If you were to accurately reveal it (an end to Muslim immigration, perhaps?), I think we would all learn a lot more about your underlying motives. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/102 "2015-07-27T00:44:37Z")
**Habby** , I find it interesting that you’d quote the article but miss out on tiny details like > [@](#): > > The Jewish defenders were not singing for the rioters. Their performance of “La Marseillaise” was intended as a gesture of gratitude toward the 100 police officers clad in anti-riot armor that prevented the mob from approaching. > [@](#): > > French authorities have been vigorous in their condemnations of recent attacks, with President Francois Hollande [vowing](http://www.francetvinfo.fr/politique/francois-hollande/en-direct-live-14-juillet-regardez-l-interview-de-francois-hollande-en-direct-de-l-elysee_642161.html) not to allow violence in the Middle East to spill over into the streets of France and Prime Minister Manuel Valls [promising](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_HrNCvOJBk) to severely punish anti-Semitic attacks. > But while they are grateful for the government’s backing, many French Jews lack confidence in its ability to protect them. Bernard Cazeneuve, the French interior minister, temporarily banned protests against Israel last week out of concern for public order, but that ban was ignored by thousands who staged unauthorized protests anyway. So no, Virginia, that does not sound anything like the 40s \*or \*the Tulsa riot. ---
**Author:** ![Haberdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Haberdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Haberdash)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/103 "2015-07-27T00:47:38Z")
It doesn’t count if a French government official condemned it afterwards. Will add to the list. ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/104 "2015-07-27T00:50:52Z")
Sunday, Jul 20th 2014 \*Palestinian child death toll rises to 70 while 50,000 are now homeless as a result of Israel’s air and ground offensive Read more.,.,.,.,.,.,., Exodus-40-000-civilians-forced-leave-homes-300-dead-Israel-vows-significantly-widen-ground-offensive-Gaza\* current events not reported in the US news (:- ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/105 "2015-07-27T01:38:04Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > Sunday, Jul 20th 2014 > \*Palestinian child death toll rises to 70 while 50,000 are now homeless as a result of Israel’s air and ground offensive > > Read more.,.,.,.,.,.,., > > Exodus-40-000-civilians-forced-leave-homes-300-dead-Israel-vows-significantly-widen-ground-offensive-Gaza\* > > current events not reported in the US news > > (:- Since these reports are regarding a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs, what does it have to do with this thread on a conflict between French Jews and French Arabs? If this were a thread about some Baptist preachers from Alabama making anti-Semitic comments would you link to a story about some Lebanese Christians having their home blown up by Israeli bombers? If not, why? ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/106 "2015-07-27T01:51:39Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > .,.,.,.,.,.would you link to a story about some Lebanese Christians having their home blown up by Israeli bombers? If not, why? Whatever floats your boat while lifebelts are not required, I do suggest you have one within reach as you float your boat. Just a suggestion (:- btw I too await the answer to your well stated question ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/107 "2015-07-27T01:57:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > We’ve been over this rutted road back during the teen riots of 2005 and 2006. The issue has nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. It has everything to do with the treatment of immigrant Muslims to France. > > The youth riots, then, occurred mostly among non-practicing children of Muslim parents and were routinely condemned in the mosques at that time. However, with the treatment of immigrant youth, (who are overwhelmingly Muslim), extraordinarily high rates of unemployment, and similar problems, the immigrant youth are more easily led into crime and violence. There is an increase in propaganda from ISIS sources, (but only in the last several months), that invoke Islam as a rallying point and promote antisemitism, but the youth have shown no evidence of actually becoming more devoutly Muslim. > > Among Muslims, second generation immigrants and people who have lived in France for years consistently poll as more devoutly Muslim, but also more supportive of France and less tolerant of violence than people of European stock whose families have been French for centuries. > > Blaming Islam runs counter to the facts. My grandparents were 1st generation immigrants during the great depression. They assimilate into American culture during a time of great economic strife. This is not happening in France. And that is the problem. It’s not open for debate. ---
**Author:** ![Grotonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c2a13f/32.png) [@Grotonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grotonian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/108 "2015-07-27T02:04:22Z")
> [@gracefulfatsheba](#): > > Out of curiosity Haberdash, what is your solution the problems you claim to identify? I have a solution, but it’s kind of crazy. How about if Muslims STOP beating up and murdering Jews in France? Or is that too much to ask? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/109 "2015-07-27T02:11:26Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > My grandparents were 1st generation immigrants during the great depression. They assimilate into American culture during a time of great economic strife. This is not happening in France. And that is the problem. It’s not open for debate. Did they happen to be white and some description of Christian, by any chance ? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/110 "2015-07-27T02:12:57Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Since these reports are regarding a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs, what does it have to do with this thread on a conflict between French Jews and French Arabs? You have me on that one. I have been led to believe that the “Promised Land” as set out in the Old Testament was the true “Jewish Homeland” therefore Jews everywhere are automatically citizen of “Israel” and therefore whether one resides in France, Germany or the USA they have a personal stake in this issue. Please, correct me if I am wrong (:- ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/111 "2015-07-27T02:23:30Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > You have me on that one. I have been led to believe that the “Promised Land” as set out in the Old Testament was the true “Jewish Homeland” therefore Jews everywhere are automatically citizen of “Israel” and therefore whether one resides in France, Germany or the USA they have a personal stake in this issue. > > Please, correct me if I am wrong (:- Yes you are wrong. Now, please answer my questions because your post came dangerously close to being anti-Semitic because you seemed to linking a conflict involving French Jews and French Muslims to a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslims. > [@](#): > > Since these reports are regarding a conflict between Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs, what does it have to do with this thread on a conflict between French Jews and French Arabs? > > If this were a thread about some Baptist preachers from Alabama making anti-Semitic comments would you link to a story about some Lebanese Christians having their home blown up by Israeli bombers? > > If not, why? Thanks in advance. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/112 "2015-07-27T02:25:46Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > Whatever floats your boat while lifebelts are not required, I do suggest you have one within reach as you float your boat. > > Just a suggestion (:- > > btw I too await the answer to your well stated question This question is incomprehensible. Perhaps you could rephrase it so it’s understandable. Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/113 "2015-07-27T02:33:36Z")
> [@Grotonian](#): > > I have a solution, but it’s kind of crazy. How about if Muslims STOP beating up and murdering Jews in France? Or is that too much to ask? Murdering Jews in France you say-? You being a stranger and all, either you provide links or even cut and past others who have documented such acts of “murdering Jews” because the were Jews or I will be forced to note you as nothing but a propagandists and pass you on by the choice is yours to make …, I await your answer (:- ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/114 "2015-07-27T02:36:29Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > This question is incomprehensible. Perhaps you could rephrase it so it’s understandable. > > Thanks in advance The moment your well placed question is answered I will do as you request. There is an order, and the answer to your original question comes first (:- 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/115 "2015-07-27T02:41:47Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > This question is incomprehensible. Perhaps you could rephrase it so it’s understandable. > > Thanks in advance You are the one who presented the question in the first place. Have you forgotten it already-? just asking (:- ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/116 "2015-07-27T02:43:36Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > The moment your well placed question is answered I will do as you request. There is an order, and the answer to your original question comes first (:- > > 🙂 Which question is that that you would like answered first? I already answered the question you as to whether or not Jews everywhere in the World are automatically considered citizens of Israel Was there another question you had? If so, please quote it. ---
**Author:** ![Grotonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c2a13f/32.png) [@Grotonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grotonian)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/117 "2015-07-27T02:53:55Z")
> [@tooldtocare](#): > > Murdering Jews in France you say-? You being a stranger and all, either you provide links or even cut and past others who have documented such acts of “murdering Jews” because the were Jews or I will be forced to note you as nothing but a propagandists and pass you on by > > the choice is yours to make > > …, I await your answer (:- Here ya go. January of this year: > **[Watchdog: Anti-Semitic attacks in France climbed 84% after kosher shop...](https://www.jta.org/2015/07/13/global/watchdog-anti-semitic-attacks-in-france-climbed-84-after-kosher-shop-killing)** > > The number of attacks recorded from January to May was higher than the total documented in all of 2013. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/118 "2015-07-27T02:54:58Z")
> [@Grotonian](#): > > Here ya go. January of this year: > > [http://www.jta.org/2015/07/13/news-opinion/world/watchdog-anti-semitic-attacks-in-france-climbed-84-after-kosher-shop-killing](http://www.jta.org/2015/07/13/news-opinion/world/watchdog-anti-semitic-attacks-in-france-climbed-84-after-kosher-shop-killing) > **[Murder of Ilan Halimi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilan_Halimi)** > > The murder of Ilan Halimi (Hebrew: אילן חלימי) was the kidnapping, torture, and murder of a young Frenchman of Moroccan Jewish ancestry in France in 2006. Halimi was kidnapped on 21 January 2006 by a group calling themselves the Gang of Barbarians. The kidnappers, believing that all Jews are rich, repeatedly contacted the victim's modestly placed family demanding very large sums of money. Halimi was held captive and tortured for three weeks, and died of his injuries. The case drew national and ... ---
**Author:** ![tooldtocare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e19adc/32.png) [@tooldtocare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tooldtocare)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/119 "2015-07-27T02:56:32Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Yes you are wrong…,…,.,…, Yes Oh Wise one, Please show me where I have gone astray, so that I may learn from your wisdom and thereby become a more complete fellow human being. If not then I will float in the cloud of ignorance tell my end. Which I must add I tried to do once in my past and just wound up breaking some bones instead. Should I give it another try-? I await your answer (:- ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130/120 "2015-07-27T03:39:40Z")
> [@gracefulfatsheba](#): > > This sort of passive aggressive thing isn’t helpful. If you are accusing me of supporting violence against Jews (utter nonsense), that is a serious accusation and you should make it. Your post said that what the Jews were suffering in France was not as bad as what the Israelis were doing in Israel. That sort of comparison of different peoples doing different things is pointless. Nothing passive aggressive about it. Your post was just dumb. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/europes-anti-semitism-crisis/726130.md?page=7)