# Euros, Dinosaurs and the Bible. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 14, 2002, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694 "2002-12-14T05:10:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/21 "2002-12-14T15:29:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\*It’s a vast oversimplification on the part of those Bible scholars who are only interested in proving the Book of Revelation, to say that “Europe equals the Roman Empire”. \*\* The hammer (DDG) hit’s the nail (his statement) on the top of the head. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/22 "2002-12-14T15:30:38Z")
And I just wanna point out to Jersey Diamond that I was in high school when _The Late Great Planet Earth_ came out, and we were all just as firmly convinced that the Common Market heralded the End Times as you are now convinced that the EU heralds them. And that was in 1970. I notice how the End Times haven’t happened yet, unless I didn’t get the memo… ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/23 "2002-12-14T15:31:47Z")
Hang on, hang on, y’all are forgetting that line from Isaiah 2:4: “They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning-hooks, and their diverse currencies into the euro. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn evolution any more.” And in the New Testament, we have John 3:16, “… that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting euro.” And, of course, Joseph’s brothers sold him to slavery in Egypt for 30 euros, which is coincidentally the same price that Judas accepted for selling Jesus, many many centuries later. Now, on dinosaurs, I do have to say that there are some translations that are not quite accurate. If you go back to the original English version, however, you find: Isaiah 11:6, for instance: “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the lion shall lie down with the steogosaur.” And in the New Testament, we have Matthew 7:6, “Do not cast your pearls before tricerotops.” And Matthew 22:21, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto Darwin the things which are Darwin’s.” And don’t forget the 23rd Psalm: “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the tyrannosaur, I shall fear no evil.” Lots of biblical references, see, if you just know where to look. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/24 "2002-12-14T15:36:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by C K Dexter Haven \* > \*\*Hang on, hang on, y’all are forgetting that line from Isaiah 2:4: > “They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning-hooks, and their diverse currencies into the euro. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn evolution any more.” > > And in the New Testament, we have John 3:16, “… that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting euro.” > > And, of course, Joseph’s brothers sold him to slavery in Egypt for 30 euros, which is coincidentally the same price that Judas accepted for selling Jesus, many many centuries later. > > Now, on dinosaurs, I do have to say that there are some translations that are not quite accurate. If you go back to the original English version, however, you find: > > Isaiah 11:6, for instance: “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the lion shall lie down with the steogosaur.” > > And in the New Testament, we have Matthew 7:6, “Do not cast your pearls before tricerotops.” > > And Matthew 22:21, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto Darwin the things which are Darwin’s.” > > And don’t forget the 23rd Psalm: “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the tyrannosaur, I shall fear no evil.” > > Lots of biblical references, see, if you just know where to look. \*\* You see, if these existed, that would convince me that all of these paranoid delusions were accurately interpreted. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/25 "2002-12-14T15:37:18Z")
It seems to that the fundamentalists go wrong when they try to hold God down to a timetable. All this hugger-mugger about the return of Israel and the euro heralding the imminent Rapture is a)blasphemous, because humans are imposing their will on God; b)completely misunderstands the nature of prophecy, which is NOT fortune telling or reading the future, but laying down God’s commandments to His people; and c)totally contrary to the words of Jesus, who said no man knows the day nor the hour of the coming of the Son of Man. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/26 "2002-12-14T15:40:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*It seems to that the fundamentalists go wrong when they try to hold God down to a timetable. All this hugger-mugger about the return of Israel and the euro heralding the imminent Rapture is a)blasphemous, because humans are imposing their will on God; b)completely misunderstands the nature of prophecy, which is NOT fortune telling or reading the future, but laying down God’s commandments to His people; and c)totally contrary to the words of Jesus, who said no man knows the day nor the hour of the coming of the Son of Man. \*\* All of these excellent points. Some Fundies would do well to push their heads up to their computer screens and attempt osmosis, to gather this data (because traditional book learning didn’t work).😃 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/27 "2002-12-14T15:42:31Z")
[quote] _Originally posted by jerseyDiamond_ 1.) The “antichrist” is not in _Revelation_. That term appears only a few times in the _epistles_ of John and, and those references, in context, define “antichrist” as anyone who rejects Christ. It has nothing to do with the “beast” of _Revelation_. 2.)_Revelation_ is not supposed to be a prediction of the future anyway. The “Beast” was the emperor of Rome. [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148509&highlight=revelation) is a recent thread on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/28 "2002-12-14T15:44:56Z")
Aw, crap, I forgot to post JD’s Quote. I was responding to this: > [@](#): > > One of the major prophetic events that have yet to be filled is Revelation 6:2; 13:1-8----The antichrist will set up a one world government. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/29 "2002-12-14T15:56:13Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by C K Dexter Haven_ > > Hang on, hang on, y’all are forgetting that line from Isaiah 2:4: > “They shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning-hooks, and their diverse currencies into the euro. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn evolution any more.” > > And in the New Testament, we have John 3:16, “… that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting euro.” > > And, of course, Joseph’s brothers sold him to slavery in Egypt for 30 euros, which is coincidentally the same price that Judas accepted for selling Jesus, many many centuries later. > > Now, on dinosaurs, I do have to say that there are some translations that are not quite accurate. If you go back to the original English version, however, you find: > > Isaiah 11:6, for instance: “The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the lion shall lie down with the steogosaur.” > > And in the New Testament, we have Matthew 7:6, “Do not cast your pearls before tricerotops.” > > And Matthew 22:21, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto Darwin the things which are Darwin’s.” > > And don’t forget the 23rd Psalm: “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the tyrannosaur, I shall fear no evil.” > > Lots of biblical references, see, if you just know where to look. Excellent footwork, **C K** , now what about that reference to “The one called Hillary, who will establish one village…” and that other verse which predicts “…the children shall read of a sorcerer called Potter, and they shall be corrupted, and they shall become witches…” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/30 "2002-12-14T16:06:58Z")
> [@](#): > > Excellent footwork, **C K** , now what about that reference to “The one called Hillary, who will establish one village…” and that other verse which predicts “…the children shall read of a sorcerer called Potter, and they shall be corrupted, and they shall become witches…” Those are in the secret Dead Sea Scrolls; the same ones that predict the coming of the 17 Angels. ---
**Author:** ![Splanky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b2d939/32.png) [@Splanky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Splanky)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/31 "2002-12-14T16:27:16Z")
Hey guys, the EU is adding 10 more countries: [http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/14/eu.summit/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/14/eu.summit/index.html) Now we can think of new numbers which can be misinterpereted ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/32 "2002-12-14T16:39:50Z")
The world can’t end until Turkey is added until the EU. That’ll probably take until about the same time when the sun is a lump of coal the size of your fist. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/33 "2002-12-14T16:44:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*I am amazed that fundamentalists can trot this out with a straight face. How could a one-world government function? Why would nations voluntarily surrender their sovereignty to a United Earth? Hell, we can’t even get the UN to exercise police powers over rogue nations or to settle conflicts. > > I could not envision Japan and the Koreas under the same roof, or the US and Iraq, or any Arab nation and Israel. \*\* Well, see, what you’re missing is that the whole thing is masterminded by Satan, who has all the nations of the world in his thrall. Yes, that’s right–the Devil makes them do it. 😃 seriously, that’s the rationale ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/34 "2002-12-14T17:49:11Z")
SoulFrost: That was a fascinating post. The description of Leviathan reminded me of the old Norse legend of the Midgard Serpent. Jersey Diamond: The description of behemoth could as easily be a description of a hippopotamus, a rhinoceros, or an elephant. They’re all large mammals that can be quite fierce. And the leviathan could equally be a crocodile; I understand the Nile crocodiles are quite impressive in size. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/35 "2002-12-14T17:51:43Z")
Hey thanks you guys, this is great stuff. Just what I’m looking for. I figure the only way I can reason with my friends if to use the Bible to debunk itself. **C K Dexter Haven** I thought you were serious there for a minute. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/36 "2002-12-14T17:59:55Z")
I don’t think it’s physically possible to “reason” with a Christian Fundamentalist who thinks that the European Union is the tool of Satan. Don’t make yourself crazy, 'kay? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/37 "2002-12-14T18:22:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Peyote Coyote \* > \*\*SoulFrost: That was a fascinating post. The description of Leviathan reminded me of the old Norse legend of the Midgard Serpent. > > Jersey Diamond: The description of behemoth could as easily be a description of a hippopotamus, a rhinoceros, or an elephant. They’re all large mammals that can be quite fierce. And the leviathan could equally be a crocodile; I understand the Nile crocodiles are quite impressive in size. \*\* Then again, the whole leviathan / behemoth thing could be just [a metaphor](http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~jl/Bible/leviathan.html), and not represent descriptions of any actual beast at all. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/38 "2002-12-14T19:09:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Revelation 13:17 > so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. Things that have been claimed to be the Mark of the Beast during my lifetime:[ul][li]Social Security numbers[/li][li]Bar codes[/li][li][Mondex](http://www.mondex.com/webcode/common/contents.asp?ID=45)[/li][li]Locator chip implants[/li]… and now, apparently: [li]the Euro[/ul][/li]I wish the End Times doomsayers would make up their minds. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/39 "2002-12-14T19:11:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\*I don’t think it’s physically possible to “reason” with a Christian Fundamentalist who thinks that the European Union is the tool of Satan. > > Don’t make yourself crazy, 'kay? 😉 \*\* You mean the EU _isn’t_ the work of Satan? I guess you’re right. Hell would have a better beuracracy. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/40 "2002-12-14T19:11:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Things that have been claimed to be the Mark of the Beast during my lifetime:[ul][li]Social Security numbers[/li][li]Bar codes[/li][li][Mondex](http://www.mondex.com/webcode/common/contents.asp?ID=45)[/li][li]Locator chip implants[/li]… and now, apparently: > [li]the Euro[/ul][/li]I wish the End Times doomsayers would make up their minds. 😛 \*\* You know, a savy marketing company should come up with a tag or something that says “666” and on the back says “mark of the beast”. I bet their would be money in it! After all the “pet rock” guy made money…😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694.md?page=3)