# Euros, Dinosaurs and the Bible. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 14, 2002, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694 "2002-12-14T05:10:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/41 "2002-12-14T22:43:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > **You know, a savy marketing company should come up with a tag or something that says “666” and on the back says “mark of the beast”.** [http://www.av1611.org/666/rock\_666.html](http://www.av1611.org/666/rock_666.html) Scroll down near the bottom, where it says “666 jewerly.” ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/42 "2002-12-14T22:44:43Z")
(Did I just type “jewerly”? Damn! That typo sounds anti-Semitic, and stuff.) ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/43 "2002-12-14T22:54:41Z")
> [@](#): > > I figure the only way I can reason with my friends if to use the Bible to debunk itself. I would caution you, **Wearia**. You can build a perfect logical argument, but it won’t matter. From your description, logic and reason aren’t necessary to your friends’ POVs-- “God did it” or “The Devil did it” will almost certainly be their response to any sticky issues you may bring up. These will possibly be followed with variants of “it is not for man to know,” “lean not unto thy own understanding,” and “God’s ways are not man’s ways…” The moment you hear the keywords “swine” and “pearls–” and you eventually will-- walk away, and never look back. -David ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/44 "2002-12-14T23:06:13Z")
My response to these people who try to read signs into obscure, if not non-existent verses is simple. From the King James Version itself, for a change: > [@](#): > > Matthew 24:42-44 > 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. > 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. > 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. These are the words of Christ, Himself, as part of an admonishment that we should be in perpetual readiness for his coming. Look, **Jersey Diamond** , no disrespect intended, but with the break up of the Soviet Union and the end of colonization, the world is even further from one world government than it was at the turn of the last century. Europe still seems to be as contentious as ever, and last I heard, Britain is still holding strong in favor of the British Pound. We haven’t even managed to unify Ireland yet, let alone Europe. What I don’t understand is why some Christians seem to feel as if they have to live their lives under threat, if not of hellfire and damnation, then of the End Times. The world was supposed to end in A.D. 1000, complete with a comet to indicate the end was near. 970 years later, AD 2000 was supposed to bring about the end of the world and the start of a new millenium. I don’t know when Christ will return, and it’s none of my business when He will. **Wearia** , please feel free to point out to your friend that, in my opinion, if I change my beliefs or my actions in response to the belief that Christ will come tomorrow and/or the End Times/Tribulation/whatever you want to call it will begin, then it is a conversion in name only, and worth nothing. The only conversions I intend to make at swordpoint are conversions to fencing. Conversions resulting from things other than fear tend to be far more lasting. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/45 "2002-12-14T23:08:17Z")
Oh yes, here’s my personal, somewhat irrelevant summary of the verses I quoted: > [@](#): > > When you least expect it, expect it! 😃 CJ ---
**Author:** ![Fifteen\_Iguana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Fifteen\_Iguana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fifteen_Iguana)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/46 "2002-12-14T23:18:23Z")
I have nothing to say on this topic except: “Euro, Dinosaurs and the Bible” is the best name for a thread I’ve seen in a long time. Thank you for that. Fifteen Iguana ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/47 "2002-12-15T00:39:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*[http://www.av1611.org/666/rock\_666.html](http://www.av1611.org/666/rock_666.html) > Scroll down near the bottom, where it says “666 jewerly.” \*\* I shoulda figured… ---
**Author:** ![stofsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@stofsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stofsky)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/48 "2002-12-15T02:45:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fifteen Iguana \* > \*\*Fifteen Iguana \*\* And after the Rapturetm, that will be the price of a pack of cigarettes. Oh, is this Great Debates? Sorry, my bad. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/49 "2002-12-15T02:49:44Z")
I’m going to go way out on a limb here: Even if Earth ever _is_ unified into a single World Government (in response to an invasion from outer space, say), I predict that this will not result in the End of the World or the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. ---
**Author:** ![Boxer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47774/32.png) [@Boxer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boxer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/50 "2002-12-15T03:24:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Meatros \* > \*\*You know, a savy marketing company should come up with a tag or something that says “666” and on the back says “mark of the beast”. > > I bet their would be money in it! After all the “pet rock” guy made money…😃 \*\* Marketing. As Alice Cooper once said. “This rock music is soooo easy. You just write a song about stuff that parents will hate. And sell a million copies to their teenage kids.” I’d copyright this idea if I were you. ---
**Author:** ![Boxer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47774/32.png) [@Boxer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boxer)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/51 "2002-12-15T03:40:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\*\*You notice how the world didn’t end last January? > > \*\* - Not that this ever stopped any group. When the WatchTower Society was formed it taught that Jesus was coming to end the world in 1907. Well, in 1907, the group disbanded when it was proven wrong… GOTCHA! Of course, no group is going to do that! Makes too much sense and shows too much integrity. They split into two groups; the sensible one (term is relative here. ?Is there a stronger word than relative? How about sensible as in sideways to reality at an angle that properly demonstrates Quark physics?)…I digress. The sensible group reworked their calculations and said that they _meant to say_ 19_17_. The less sensible group decided that Jesus HAD returned, but they reworked all the rest of their eschatology to say that it was a double secret sort of return. Details of this will prove wrong if anyone really wants to check it all. I am not a detail person. One terrific story, though. ---
**Author:** ![JerseyDiamond](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8491ac/32.png) [@JerseyDiamond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JerseyDiamond)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/52 "2002-12-15T03:58:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Things that have been claimed to be the Mark of the Beast during my lifetime: > Social Security numbers > > Bar codes > > Mondex > > Locator chip implants > … and now, apparently: > > the Euro It’s not _one_ of those things specifically that means the world is going to end. Those people are alarmists. They don’t take everything into consideration. The Peyote Coyote, I have read that it could be a hippopotamus, a rhinoceros, or an elephant. They are not sure of the translation! I guess it could be anything, but with the discriptions given, it doesn’t seem likely. Diogenes the Cynic, there are many people that also see Revelation as a prediction of the future. I, \* along with many others\*,do. Also, the [“beast”](http://www.seekerstrove.com/Prophecies/beast.html) in the Bible isn’t just one thing. > [@](#): > > _by Gobear_ > It seems to that the fundamentalists go wrong when they try to hold God down to a timetable. All this hugger-mugger about the return of Israel and the euro heralding the imminent Rapture is a)blasphemous, because humans are imposing their will on God; b)completely misunderstands the nature of prophecy, which is NOT fortune telling or reading the future, but laying down God’s commandments to His people; and c)totally contrary to the words of Jesus, who said no man knows the day nor the hour of the coming of the Son of Man. I think the main problem is that people who know very little about the Bible and say they are christian, try to elaborate on stuff that they over hear, and make a mess out of it. This is the problem! The friend in the OP, makes a mockery out of what is actually real by talking non sense. You are very right though, **Gobear** , **nobody** knows when!!! **cjhoworth** , I do not live in fear or in threat of the “end times”. I actually hope it is in my time. Maybe, maybe not. The problem with the old theory that the world was suppose to end in 1000 AD and in 2000, is that it was not biblical. Assumptions and people predictions don’t count no matter who they come from. I would think it has to be biblical, but I guess if you don’t fully believe whatn the Bible says, it wouldn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/53 "2002-12-15T05:47:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*\*I think the main problem is that people who know very little about the Bible and say they are christian, try to elaborate on stuff that they over hear, and make a mess out of it. \*\*Nope, you can’t explain away the friend in the OP by saying, “She’s a clueless idjit who doesn’t \*really \* understand the Bible”–because she got her theory from people who are most definitely not clueless idjits, who really do understand the Bible. She may have remembered it a little bit “off”, but it was still the basic “Rapture and Tribulation” Pre-millennialist prophecy theory as promulgated by people like Jack Van Impe, LaHaye and Jenkins, and Hal Lindsey. > [@](#): > > **The problem with the old theory that the world was suppose to end in 1000 AD and in 2000, is that it was not biblical.** What? You really can’t remember back to Y2K, when all sorts of Fundie websites were predicting the End of the World? Based on the Bible? Do a Google search for “Y2K tribulation”. [http://www.calvaryprophecy.com/q19.html](http://www.calvaryprophecy.com/q19.html) > [@](#): > > January 5th, 1999 > Dear Pastor Malone: > > What do you think about the Y2K computer bug everyone is talking about. Should we be worried, and is this a part of prophecy? > > \< snip \> > Answer > > Dear Kelly: > > \< snip \> > > Could this be a more likely scenario? Could the Y2K problem be bigger than we think? Could it be the lightening rod that brings forth the antichrist and thrust the world into the greatest time of tribulation ever known? [http://www.discover.net/~ajgood/Y2kCL.html](http://www.discover.net/~ajgood/Y2kCL.html) > [@](#): > > In the Book of Gen. 11:1, 2 where Y2K is encoded along with the encoded words "Computer (“Thinking Machine” (“speech”) with one binary language or “lip”), Y2K is also associated there in the Bible Codes with the specific words “two thousand.” The prevailing thought is that Y2K will occur on/in the year 2000 c.e. (A.D.) As is known the Bible year 2000 c.e. occurred this past Rosh HaShanah (Tishri 1,2) September 10th whereas year 2000 A.D. for the gentiles does not occur until 1 January (2000 A.D.) about four months from now (September 1999). We may surmise that since the words “two thousand” point to a future time and that Y2K’s Spiritual Gematria (10x2x100) also equals two-thousand (2000) that the time of Y2K’s adversity may also be inferred to be in/on the year 2000 c.e. in the very Spiritual Essence of Y2K’s Gematria. [http://www.prophecyinstitute.com/prophecy/propheticmodels/pm-4.htm](http://www.prophecyinstitute.com/prophecy/propheticmodels/pm-4.htm) > [@](#): > > Y2K and the Tribulation > > In this investigation, we collect the main prophecy of Nostradamus (1999) and combine it with the secular signs (the 1999 Leonids and the millennium bug and the 1999 global deflation) and then add the Biblical signs (the coming of Elijah on the Passover of AD2000, plus factoring in the 2520 prophecy chained to the 21 year theory of Daniel 10). > > All combined, this makes for a rather convincing model that there will be a war in the Middle East on March 22, 2000. Then on the night of April 19, 2000 (the start of the Passover) Elijah (and Moses) will make their appearance, followed by April 23, 2000 which starts the Great tribulation. > > No, its not a sin to make such outrageous projections, indeed I would be held accountable to God if I failed to notify God’s people of these impending signs. Yes, I am probably wrong, but its better to be wrong than sorry. [http://sxws.com/LIONJUDH/articles/article-04.html](http://sxws.com/LIONJUDH/articles/article-04.html) > [@](#): > > If Y2K happens at the beginning of the Tribulation, as some have speculated, how will the Antichrist’s government manage the high tech demands of a world government if the computers are not up and running? Uncertain of Y2K’s impact myself, I have decided that the best advice I can offer comes from a different angle. Natural disasters, such as earthquakes, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, and more are predicted to increase in the last days (Matthew 24 and Luke 21). We are seeing this in our news. Just this past spring, in Nashville, a tornado ripped through the city and left about 75,000 thousand people without electrical power for a couple of weeks. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/54 "2002-12-15T18:00:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Duck Duck Goose \* > \*\*\*\*Nope, you can’t explain away the friend in the OP by saying, “She’s a clueless idjit who doesn’t \*really \* understand the Bible”–because she got her theory from people who are most definitely not clueless idjits, who really do understand the Bible. She may have remembered it a little bit “off”, but it was still the basic “Rapture and Tribulation” Pre-millennialist prophecy theory as promulgated by people like Jack Van Impe, LaHaye and Jenkins, and Hal Lindsey.What? You really can’t remember back to Y2K, when all sorts of Fundie websites were predicting the End of the World? Based on the Bible? Do a Google search for “Y2K tribulation”. > \*\* Dang it! DDG, you got to it first! I think what you said is very important, it should make us all realize that **interpretations** vary and that just because one might **feel** that their interpretation is correct, it is no more valid than the interpretation that person rejects. ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/55 "2002-12-15T18:04:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JerseyDiamond \* > \*_Diogenes the Cynic, there are many people that also see Revelation as a prediction of the future. I, \* along with many others_,do. Also, the url=http://www.seekerstrove.com/Prophecies/beast.html]“beast” in the Bible isn’t just one thing. > > I think the main problem is that people who know very little about the Bible and say they are christian, try to elaborate on stuff that they over hear, and make a mess out of it. This is the problem! The friend in the OP, makes a mockery out of what is actually real by talking non sense. > You are very right though, **Gobear** , **nobody** knows when!!! > \*\* Yes, there are many people who think Revelations is a prediction of the future; that doesn’t mean it is. The whole planet could believe that it tells the future, but you know what? That doesn’t mean it does. I think Doigenes’s point was that people who lived during the time Revelations was written, didn’t think it was a prophecy. I think this holds more weight than the people now-a-days who think it’s a prediction of the future. Why? Because they lived in those times, they had the same culture as the person who wrote Revolations. They would have more of a shared meaning of the text, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2002, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/56 "2002-12-15T20:51:34Z")
an M.J. Agee keeps predicting it each year. Each year she is wrong, yet people keep e mailing her saying they had a dream, or a smoke trail in the sky spelled out 2003… etc. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/57 "2002-12-16T11:57:30Z")
– King James Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. – American Standard Genesis 1:21 And God created the great sea-monsters, and every living creature that moveth, wherewith the waters swarmed, after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind: and God saw that it was good. – New International Genesis 1:21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. – Romanized (transliterated Hebrew) Genesis 1:21 Wayibraa’ 'Elohiym 'et-hataniynim hagdoliym w’eet kaal-nepesh haxayaah haaromeset ‘asher shaartsuu hamayim lmiyneehem w’eet kaal-`owp kaanaap lmiyneehuu wayar’ 'Elohiym kiy-Towb. 'et-hataniynim hagdoliym is the Hebrew phrase that literally means “creatures great”- sometimes the root “taniyn” is more precisely applied to reptiles. Thus even Theistic Evolutionist Christians and Jews have thought it applies to dinosaurs. Tho not a YEC (I’m an Old-Earther), I wouldn’t rule out Leviathan & Behemoth applying to aquatic & land-dwelling dinos, tho I think they more accurately apply to any gigantic aquatic & terrestrial animal. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Steve\_Wright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_Wright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/58 "2002-12-16T12:28:46Z")
Well, the [Rapture Index](http://www.raptureme.com/rap2.html) is 174 at the moment. Mind you, the Rapture Index seems to be predicting imminent End Times every time I look at it … don’t think I’ve ever seen it dip down even into the “Heavy Prophetic Activity” range. There _are_ sound devotional reasons for living your life _as if_ the world was about to end - if you remember that you could suddenly be judged on your life’s work to date at any moment, then that’s one solid reason to do good works right now, isn’t it? But speculating about _when_ it’s going to happen, and what the signs are, has always struck me as a hollow pursuit. The Book of Revelations is too metaphorical and too susceptible to multiple interpretations for anyone to say definitively “_This_ is what St. John the Divine meant.” My personal take on the whole coming-of-the-Kingdom-of-God thing: Christ will return when we’ve made this world ready for him. If we want the Kingdom of God on Earth, we will have to build it ourselves. This requires a great deal of hard, mundane, work, establishing a society which is based on love and truth and justice. Gazing up at the skies and waiting for the Rapture is not any real help here. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/59 "2002-12-16T17:03:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Things that have been claimed to be the Mark of the Beast during my lifetime:[ul][li]Social Security numbers[/li][li]Bar codes[/li][li][Mondex](http://www.mondex.com/webcode/common/contents.asp?ID=45)[/li][li]Locator chip implants[/li]… and now, apparently: > [li]the Euro[/ul][/li]I wish the End Times doomsayers would make up their minds. 😛 \*\* You and me both! The number of times I’ve put my affairs in order, made sure i was standing at all times, in grabbing distance of one of the saved etc. ---
**Author:** ![Darwins\_Finch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darwins_finch/32/20304_2.png) [@Darwins\_Finch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darwins_Finch)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2002, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694/60 "2002-12-16T17:14:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by FriarTed \* > \*\*'et-hataniynim hagdoliym is the Hebrew phrase that literally means “creatures great”- sometimes the root “taniyn” is more precisely applied to reptiles. Thus even Theistic Evolutionist Christians and Jews have thought it applies to dinosaurs. Tho not a YEC (I’m an Old-Earther), I wouldn’t rule out Leviathan & Behemoth applying to aquatic & land-dwelling dinos, tho I think they more accurately apply to any gigantic aquatic & terrestrial animal. \*\* There were no “aquatic dinos”. And given the diversity of dinosaurs in general, which specific one would Leviathan refer to? Or Behemoth? Hmmm? Because, as I’m sure everyone knows, they _didn’t_ all look the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/euros-dinosaurs-and-the-bible/142694.md?page=4)