# Everest: Just Don't Do It **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 22, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397 "2016-05-22T21:31:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/361 "2022-05-12T00:43:19Z")
The first non-Sherpa reached the summit. He left early and waited 12 days at Camp 2 so he could climb the last stages while everyone else left Basecamp. The rest of the teams should be making their summit attempts in the next few days. > **[Season's First Foreigner Summits Everest in Rare Solitude » Explorersweb](https://explorersweb.com/seasons-first-foreigner-summits-everest-in-rare-solitude/)** > > Portuguese climber Pedro Queiros summited Everest after the Sherpa team led by Kami Rita but before the waves of foreign climbers. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/362 "2022-05-12T01:26:55Z")
There are about 30% less climbers this year than last. So maybe the summit logjam will be eased somewhat this season. > **[Mount Everest Permits Down Drastically After Historic 2021](https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/everest/mount-everest-fewer-climbers-2022/)** > > Nepal’s Department of Tourism has issued roughly 30 percent fewer permits in 2022 than the record-breaking 408 it did a year ago ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/363 "2022-05-12T03:22:19Z")
I heard there’s a donut shop up there that uses a recipe unique to that area, and they aren’t available anywhere else because they must be eaten very fresh, and have a slight tendency to “deflate” at lower altitudes/higher air pressure. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/364 "2022-05-12T05:08:02Z")
Well then there must be cops up there too. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2022, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/365 "2022-05-12T06:09:54Z")
A climbing guide, Dipak Mahat, who fell ill Monday at Camp II has died from altitude sickness. > **[Climbing guide evacuated from Camp II on Everest dies](https://thehimalayantimes.com/nepal/climbing-guide-evacuated-from-camp-ii-on-everest-dies)** > > Climbing guide evacuated from Camp II on Everest dies ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/366 "2022-05-14T03:53:55Z")
The first-ever all-black team has summited. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CdgfFoYOa79/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=](https://www.instagram.com/p/CdgfFoYOa79/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/367 "2022-05-14T05:00:45Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > The first non-Sherpa reached the summit. He left early and waited 12 days at Camp 2 so he could climb the last stages while everyone else left Basecamp. > > The rest of the teams should be making their summit attempts in the next few days. > > [https://explorersweb.com/seasons-first-foreigner-summits-everest-in-rare-solitude/](https://explorersweb.com/seasons-first-foreigner-summits-everest-in-rare-solitude/) and for the record among his 2 sentence published statement was this inspiring gem > [@](#): > > I was awake for 86 hours non-stop. I was hungry and thirsty. I walked among corpses and eventually stopped feeling my fingers and toes. such a noble brotherhood 😡 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/368 "2022-05-16T11:48:01Z")
I’m not sure what alternative you would have preferred. The choices are either to walk among the corpses or to become one (or to not go at all, which is the much more sensible option). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/369 "2022-05-16T12:41:31Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not sure what alternative you would have preferred. Yeah, unless this climber actually killed all those other people I’m not sure of your point. All those corpses walked past other corpses on their way; the climbers all know what they’re getting into and accept the risk. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/370 "2022-05-16T15:02:06Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > The first-ever all-black team has summited. Wonder if they did a haka when they got there. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/371 "2022-05-16T15:11:56Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > > [@Bullitt](#): > > > > The first-ever all-black team has summited. > > Wonder if they did a haka when they got there ISWYDT 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/372 "2022-05-16T16:53:20Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > I’m not sure what alternative you would have preferred. > > Yeah, unless this climber actually killed all those other people I’m not sure of your point. All those corpses walked past other corpses on their way; the climbers all know what they’re getting into and accept the risk. Time for an updated chiller of a movie. > **[I Walked with a Zombie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Walked_with_a_Zombie)** > > I Walked with a Zombie is a 1943 American horror film directed by Jacques Tourneur and produced by Val Lewton for RKO Pictures. It stars James Ellison, Frances Dee, and Tom Conway, and follows a Canadian nurse who travels to care for the ailing wife of a sugar plantation owner in the Caribbean, where she witnesses Vodou rituals and possibly encounters the walking dead. The screenplay, written by Curt Siodmak and Ardel Wray, is based on an article of the same title by Inez Wallace, and also partly... ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/373 "2022-05-17T00:55:37Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I’m not sure what alternative you would have preferred. The choices are either to walk among the corpses or to become one (or to not go at all, which is the much more sensible option). You do know that “the corpses” in Everest tradition Include people who are alive, and might be saved if they are carried down except the “hero” walks right by them on the fucking way UP, as well as on the way down? now… defend how this is a noble endeavor? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/374 "2022-05-17T01:06:21Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > such a noble brotherhood 😡 > [@wolfman](#): > > defend how this is a noble endeavor? I’m confused–you said it was noble and now you want someone else to defend your words? ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/375 "2022-05-17T01:23:03Z")
So fill in the blank with one, or more that one, non-dismissive answer(/s)? Climbing Everest is a(an) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ endeavor, considering they walk past dying people for fading glory on the way up , as well as on the way down. Before you start answering please take into consideration the statements of the most recent statements of those who have completed this activity, as well as the existence of irony, Bonus points for identifying the exhibition of irony in the preceding , relevant, statements. If this level of subtlety is beyond you, I will make it clear in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/376 "2022-05-17T02:26:28Z")
I was confused by your response because the climber you were discussing did not walk past any dying people on his way up or down. If your commentary refered to past climbers and not the one you quoted, then yes, the level of subtlety was a little too much. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/377 "2022-05-17T03:52:18Z")
I’m sorry your answer does not parse within the English language language as something that “Fills in the blank”. as a reminder; So fill in the blank with one, or more that one, non-dismissive answer(/s)? Climbing Everest is a(an) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ endeavor, considering they walk past dying people for fading glory on the way up , as well as on the way down. Before you start answering please take into consideration the statements of the most recent statements of those who have completed this activity, as well as the existence of irony, Bonus points for identifying the exhibition of irony in the preceding , relevant, statements. If this level of subtlety is beyond you, I will make it clear in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/378 "2022-05-17T08:18:08Z")
I apologize for not automatically assuming that “corpses” meant “not corpses”. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/379 "2022-05-17T11:58:09Z")
Moderating > [@wolfman](#): > > I’m sorry your answer does not parse within the English language language as something that “Fills in the blank”. > > as a reminder; > > So fill in the blank with one, or more that one, non-dismissive answer(/s)? Climbing Everest is a(an) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ endeavor, considering they walk past dying people for fading glory on the way up , as well as on the way down. > Before you start answering please take into consideration the statements of the most recent statements of those who have completed this activity, as well as the existence of irony, Bonus points for identifying the exhibition of irony in the preceding , relevant, statements. > > If this level of subtlety is beyond you, I will make it clear in the near future. Repeating a post in an adversarial tone is not appropriate MPSIMS behavior. You aren’t in the pit. Take it down a notch or two. No formal warning issued ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397/380 "2022-05-17T12:24:01Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > You do know that “the corpses” in Everest tradition Include people who are alive, and might be saved if they are carried down except the “hero” walks right by them on the fucking way UP, as well as on the way down? > > now… defend how this is a noble endeavor? I don’t see where anyone in this thread has suggested (without sarcasm) that attempting to summit Everest is any sort of noble endeavor, so I don’t understand why you’re asking anyone to defend that position. As for your assertion that virtual corpses might be saved if they’re carried down, it’s been understood for a long time that anywhere around the summit, even ambulatory climbers are barely functioning, and the likelihood of their successfully bringing a non-ambulatory climber to a lower camp is almost zero. Indeed, the most likely outcome of such a rescue effort is for the ambulatory climber to die along with whomever they’re attempting to rescue, either by a fatal misstep while trying to move the virtual corpse, or by burning away the last vestiges of energy they need to get themselves down. In industrial settings, confined-space training teaches workers that if someone in a confined space is rendered unconscious due to a toxic/hypoxic atmosphere, you are not supposed to go in there to rescue them unless you have the training and equipment to safely do so. There are cases on record where one person working in a confined space collapsed, and then one/two coworkers impulsively went in to rescue him. Result? Two/three dead instead of one. Everest is a similar sort of thing. If you try to rescue an incapacitated climber from anywhere near the summit, the most likely end result is two more bodies on the mountain instead of one. So when you come across a virtual corpse, you suppress your better nature, accept the awful fact that the person before you can’t reasonably be helped (and that they knew about this when they came to the mountain), and get on with your own survival. > [@wolfman](#): > > So fill in the blank with one, or more that one, non-dismissive answer(/s)? Climbing Everest is a(an) \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ endeavor, considering they walk past dying people for fading glory on the way up , as well as on the way down. Climbing Everest is an unvarnished, hardcore survival endeavor, considering they walk past dying people for fading glory on the way up , as well as on the way down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everest-just-dont-do-it/755397.md?page=20)