# Every Immigrant Suddenly Vanishes from the USA... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 3, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828 "2009-12-03T08:28:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/121 "2009-12-06T03:08:30Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > you ARE!!! hallucinating. > > you obviously do not seem to be understanding this topic at all. > > EXCUSE ME??? > > Exactly how many people here admitted to that they would turn to discriminating against native born American black citizens if we deported all illegals and halted all immigration??? > > Come on!! > > GIVE US AN EXACT COUNT of all on this thread who said they would do so, AND THEN LIST THEM ALL out so we can check to see if you are a liar or not. Frankly, I dont think anybody here would do such , and I didnt see a lot of people saying that they would start discriminating against the black people. > > Please list all those on this thread who clearly said they would…else we expect an apology. > > The fact that you were making this comment without any sort of recognition of this fact suggests you didn’t think about this. > > Your comments again suggests that you are not reading the thread carefully. If you have any difficulty in this regard, or perhaps I’m being to subtle, I’ll spell it out more carefully. Sorry darlin’ I forgot about you. I said “the purveyors of racism”. Not “the posters on this thread”. Really, take your time, and maybe take a deep breath. Again, in smaller words the thesis is: ‘Those bad people who don’t like minorities would have fewer target if all immigrants went away. They might be meaner on the remaining, native-born minorities’ Also, I think your caps lock is sticky. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/122 "2009-12-06T03:32:30Z")
> [@Susanann](#): > > YOu are. > > We are not talking about the 1940’s aspects of living without television, nor are we talking about no cell phones, nor are we talking about women wearing skirts all the time, nor are we talking about living without civil rights nor about living without the Miranda Decision. > > We are talking about the 1940’s… as it relates to and ending of immigration, as it relates to a lower population, to less crowding, to less pollution, less crime, less unemployment, less welfare, less energy and less resources being used. > > This topic is not about a time machine > > Get it now? I think in this case I inadvertently misled you into venting your spleen. There are posters on this board who frequently talk about how good things used to be in th’ old days - addressing things like how men wore hats, and were civil to women. After you brought up the 1940s, it was funny that they weren’t present on the thread. Those posters were the thing that was missing, not you, or skirts, or Haldol, or anything else. It was meant as an aside, where frequent posters might say something like: “Yeah, where is **Surreal Armistice** \*, this seems like his kind of gig” or whatever. But hey, keep it up, your contributions are…well, lets just say they’re interesting, and bless your heart. \*A made up name. No **Surreal Armistice** was found with the search function. If you are **Surreal Armistice** , why aren’t you posting in this thread, dude? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/123 "2009-12-06T05:27:19Z")
> [@](#): > > Kal Penn and M. Night Shyamalan I believe both immigrants. I’m not positive - Kal Penn may have been born here. Yes, he’s from New Jersey. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/124 "2009-12-06T05:52:44Z")
But some of the celebrities we would lose (for good or bad): Amy Adams, Pamela Anderson, Will Arnett, Morena Baccarin, Sacha Baron Cohen, Kate Beckinsale, Orlando Bloom, LeVar Burton, Jim Carrey, Kim Cattrall, Tommy Chong, John Cleese, Elisha Cuthbert, Portia de Rossi, Celine Dion, Flea, Michael J. Fox, Nelly Furtado, Vincent Garber, Salma Hayek, Keira Knightley, Hugh Laurie, Avril Lavigne, Lucy Lawless, Eugene Levy, Evangeline Lilly, Rich Little, Norm Macdonald, Howie Mandel, Alanis Morissette, Carrie-Anne Moss, Mike Myers, Sam Neill, Leslie Nielsen, Sandra Oh, Linda Park, Lou Diamond Phillips, Natalie Portman, Keanu Reeves, Ryan Reynolds, Seth Rogan, Jeri Ryan, Jane Seymour, Paul Shaffer, William Shatner, Jewel Staite, Donald Sutherland, Rob Thomas, Alex Trebek, Naomi Watts, Bruce Willis, and Neil Young. (A couple besides Kal Penn we’d surprisingly keep: American-born Mel Gibson and Nicole Kidman) ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/125 "2009-12-06T06:01:59Z")
Man, that’s a lot of Canucks. Can we have them back? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/126 "2009-12-06T06:27:54Z")
You can have Anderson, Carrey, Dion, Lavigne, Mandel, Reeves, and Shatner. ---
**Author:** ![Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@Attack\_from\_the\_3rd\_dimension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Attack_from_the_3rd_dimension)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/127 "2009-12-07T14:42:27Z")
I dunno, any way you could accidentally send Kate Beckinsale, instead? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/128 "2009-12-07T19:05:23Z")
Nope, sorry, we’re keeping Kate. How about Victoria Beckham instead? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/129 "2009-12-07T21:19:17Z")
And if anyone questions my decision not to give up Kate Beckinsale, [this video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVvcYsn5POg) explains it. ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/130 "2009-12-07T22:03:42Z")
I know that the domestic wine industry would end, at least for several years. After the industry corrected itself, I’d guess that 2/3 of the producers would be history (along with half the wine grape production of the country, probably) and the only under-$15 bottles on the market in the US would be from Australia (assuming their immigrants didn’t also vanish … don’t know how their industry is fixed). So, back to drinking beer and whiskey. Maybe? Anyone know what the labor force is like in those industries (including the grain-growing and -processing sector)? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/131 "2009-12-08T02:15:05Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#): > > Odd question–if I were to run an ad in UK newspapers, asking to marry an attractive “ginger” girl, & carry her away to the US, where nobody cares about “gingerness”, do you think I might get takers? Worked for Dennis Kucinich. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/132 "2009-12-08T02:50:02Z")
I don’t want to consider a world without the Trebek! ---
**Author:** ![dragoncat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6a8cbe/32.png) [@dragoncat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragoncat)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/133 "2009-12-08T03:00:01Z")
No more meat. Meat packing plants are almost entirely staffed by people not born in the US. ---
**Author:** ![bannerrefugee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c68b51/32.png) [@bannerrefugee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bannerrefugee)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/134 "2009-12-08T03:23:44Z")
I believe the OP is Australian Queenslander-and the debate here in AU is an interesting one for a variety of reasons. Some of which include: The current government has revised a lot of John Howards policies, and has caught hell when the number of boat immigrants has increased. Howard or Rudd they get less than 10,000 a year by boat. Legal l immigration is the bigger point in Au. I work for one of the big uni’s in QLD (hi Martini) and we cater in a shocking way to students from outside Au. But they pay our bills. As an immigrant I have been treated wonderfully by the government and the Uni I now work for. I am hear partly because of a refugee Tamil who got his PhD in Australia My wife is German and did her post doc in the US where we met. Her treatment in the US was poor relative to the treatment we received in Australia. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/135 "2009-12-08T03:58:19Z")
Hello fellow QLD University Person! 😃 You’re absolutely right in the points you make, and I think that the number of foreign students at Australian universities is perhaps unusual in an international sense, but I really like the diversity- my colleagues include Britons, Dutchmen, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Indonesians, Vietnamese, and even someone from Papua New Guinea. I’m originally from NZ myself, too- so there’s a lot of internationalism at Uni and I think that’s an excellent and desirable situation that should only be encouraged. The fact International Students bring in lots of money to the Uni is a big help too, I daresay. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cullain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@Cullain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cullain)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/136 "2009-12-08T08:36:28Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Of course they would. That’s exactly how it works. Social conservatives, well, conservatives generally, but social conservatives definitely (yes, I’ve thrown the racists, xenophobes, homophobes, YECs, intelligent designists, creationists (really the same thing) and other Christian-firstists, and anti-women’s rights dunderheads into this pot), need something or someone to hate. It’s what keeps their batteries charged, what gives them a reason to wake up in the morning. Remove one of their pet objects of derision and they’ll quickly seek out another. > > Blacks would be the logical target because they’re the easiest group to distinguish among the masses by sight alone. Plus there’s the all-too-recent history of civil rights successes for blacks that still burns in the souls of those who pine for a Norman Rockwell America that never really existed, making it less unpalatable than with other groups, while at the same time being still relatively easy to find those with whom one can likemindedly commiserate. > > I’ve said this before but, come to certain areas in Pennsylvania \Wilkes-Barre\ and I’ll show you people whose seeming purpose in life is to constantly and publicly rant in the most disgusting terms about Mexicans, legal and illegal, and who will admit, if pressed, that they’ve never met a Mexican person in their lives. There are, to this day, areas in Pennsylvania where it’s not smart to travel if you’re Hispanic or black, but especially black. > > I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that if all Hispanics, forget about other immigrant groups for now, just \ disappeared the shift and volume of racist ire toward blacks would be so quick it’d make your head spin. Wait, did you just describe Norman Rockwell America as racist? > **[File:The-problem-we-all-live-with-norman-rockwell.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The-problem-we-all-live-with-norman-rockwell.jpg)** > > The problem we all live with — by Norman Rockwell (1894–1978), depicting an incident in the Civil Rights Movement of the early 1960s, when Ruby Bridges entered first grade on the first day of court-ordered desegregation of New Orleans, public schools (November 14, 1960). Originally published in Look magazine. > qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. > Any other use of this image, whether on Wikipedia or elsewhere, could potentially constitute a copyright infringement. For further... ---
**Author:** ![Indistinguishable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/90ced4/32.png) [@Indistinguishable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indistinguishable)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2009, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828/137 "2009-12-08T09:05:52Z")
Well, yes, Norman Rockwell’s America was racist. Even Norman Rockwell recognized it, as you point out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-immigrant-suddenly-vanishes-from-the-usa/519828.md?page=6)