# "Every now and then you come across somebody you shouldn't have F\*\*\*ed with **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 18, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987 "2011-10-18T01:08:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/121 "2011-10-21T12:04:28Z")
**pullin** , the guilt will be on your shoulders when some poor bastard dents his truck’s bumper when a drunk suddenly staggers out from under a bridge. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/122 "2011-10-21T13:35:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Ah, vigilantism. Hurrah :rolleyes: Or they could, you know, be fined for littering by the people who actually have the right to impose a punishment. That is, not you. I always wonder the though process behind throwing out this word willy-nilly. Does the author assume that a) Public service officers and our court system have the time and funds to try and prosecute every single crime, including those which do not directly harm or maim? (Or does the fact that with the exception of the occasional forest fire, smoking litter rarely causes physical harm mean that it should be legal?) b) Public service officers are entirely above corruption, and can be counted on to enact fair and just charges on every single broken law? (Some cops smoke, ya know, and may or may not use an ashtray) or c) Is the person crying vigilantism guilty of a comparable crime, and therefore minimizes the crime because of its relative convenience and ease of commission? In other words, **Steophan** , do you toss butts or something? Because \*\*Gary “Wombat” Robson \*\*witnessed the tossed butt, and returned it to the owner. Maybe the smoker accidently lost control of the cigarette, and **GWR** retrieved it so that he could finish the cigarette and properly dispose of it. Benefit of the doubt goes both ways, ya know. (I should add that some states post a hotline number to report littering by vehicle description and tag number. Is that vigilantism by your definition?) ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/123 "2011-10-21T14:00:41Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > People who throw cigarettes out of cars, whether they hit someone or not, deserve to have them tossed back in their laps. How else will they learn to not do that? You realize that not all cars have ashtrays, right? Otherwise people wouldn’t toss butts out of windows. But tossing one back in is a seriously dangerous and assholish move. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/124 "2011-10-21T14:04:57Z")
Maybe being drunk and littering isn’t such a huge deal when your mode of transportation is a high horse. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/125 "2011-10-21T14:11:26Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > You realize that not all cars have ashtrays, right? Otherwise people wouldn’t toss butts out of windows. > > But tossing one back in is a seriously dangerous and assholish move. [Problem.](http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=datray&oq=datray&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=0l0l0l79l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=shop&source=hp&q=automobile+ashtray+cup&pbx=1&oq=automobile+ashtray+cup&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=15625l27782l8l28766l18l7l3l0l0l2l297l938l0.1.3l9l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=cf8d5e62edefb10&biw=1024&bih=491) [Solved.](http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=auto+ashtray+window+mount&oq=auto+ashtray+window+mount&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=672l6328l0l6391l33l25l2l12l13l1l391l2328l0.6.4.1l11l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=shop&source=hp&q=car+ashtray+window&pbx=1&oq=car+ashtray+window&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=27938l32813l1l33282l13l7l0l0l0l2l281l1375l0.4.3l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=cf8d5e62edefb10&biw=1024&bih=491) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/126 "2011-10-21T14:17:20Z")
If people want to debate the correct way to deal with someone throwing a cigarette butt out the window, please start a new thread. Thanks, **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/127 "2011-10-21T14:17:51Z")
Oooh, and if you are penniless after purchasing your smokes, lighters, and paying littering fines, [here is a cheap and easy solution](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=aluminum+soda+can&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=2968l7281l0l9093l7l5l0l0l0l2l375l1406l0.1.2.2l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1024&bih=491&wrapid=tlif131920645948410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=fi#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=aluminum+soft+drink+can&oq=aluminum+soft+drink+can&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=13016l14860l0l15110l10l8l0l0l0l0l250l454l1.1.1l3l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=e9a968e22142249a&biw=1024&bih=491) to the \<_wah!_\> No ashtray! \ problem. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/128 "2011-10-21T14:18:04Z")
NM, just saw the mod note ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/129 "2011-10-21T14:19:41Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > [Problem.](http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=datray&oq=datray&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=0l0l0l79l0l0l0l0l0l0l0l0ll0l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=shop&source=hp&q=automobile+ashtray+cup&pbx=1&oq=automobile+ashtray+cup&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=15625l27782l8l28766l18l7l3l0l0l2l297l938l0.1.3l9l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=cf8d5e62edefb10&biw=1024&bih=491) [Solved.](http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=auto+ashtray+window+mount&oq=auto+ashtray+window+mount&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=672l6328l0l6391l33l25l2l12l13l1l391l2328l0.6.4.1l11l0#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=shop&source=hp&q=car+ashtray+window&pbx=1&oq=car+ashtray+window&aq=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=27938l32813l1l33282l13l7l0l0l0l2l281l1375l0.4.3l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&fp=cf8d5e62edefb10&biw=1024&bih=491) Cool stuff, thanks! Half of my Christmas shopping is now done. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/130 "2011-10-21T15:02:02Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > You realize that not all cars have ashtrays, right? Otherwise people wouldn’t toss butts out of windows. So what? Is that supposed to be a defense? ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/131 "2011-10-21T15:29:59Z")
> [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](#): > > So what? Is that supposed to be a defense? Yes! It’s the same reason I throw all of my garbage directly out the car window onto the roadways. It’s not MY fault Toyota didn’t put garbage containers in my car. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/132 "2011-10-21T15:31:23Z")
\*The other night, me and my girl went ballin’ When we walked in, she turned every face in the place A cool number jumped up and made a play for my girl So I said, so long boy! I said, don’t mess with me, 'cause I got a cast iron arm I said, don’t mess with me, 'cause I got a cast iron arm Oh, when you mess with me, that only ring my alarm …Well, the same cool number made the same wrong move I hit him in the head! I said, don’t mess with me, 'cause I got a cast iron arm\* - Peanuts Wilson ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/133 "2011-10-21T18:34:54Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > [My little drunk driver story and what I did about it.](http://youtu.be/hRSCStseNfI) Video evidence, nearly causing a head on collision and it cost him $300, 5 days in jail and he can keep driving as long as it’s for work??? God we really don’t take this seriously do we. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/134 "2011-10-21T19:14:24Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > [My little drunk driver story and what I did about it.](http://youtu.be/hRSCStseNfI) Good on you, **2gigch1**! I hope your quick thinking and clear documentation encouraged Mr. Lee to straighten up, or at least stay home when drinking. You may have saved lives with this footage. ---
**Author:** ![Loopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loopus/32/15343_2.png) [@Loopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopus)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/135 "2011-10-21T19:20:21Z")
My college newspaper regularly ran “police blotter” type stories about crimes that occurred on campus. It was an urban school, and while crime wasn’t rampant, it did occur on a regular basis. One particular story started out as a fairly ordinary account of a robbery at knifepoint, until it got to the part where the victim _punched the knife-wielding robber in the face_. The robber dropped the knife in surprise. At that point, his accomplice picked up the knife and ran away (worst accomplice ever). The former knife-wielder and victim continued to fight until the criminal finally decided to book it. The victim chased after him until finally losing him in the darkness. The article concluded with a dry statement of “no suspects.” ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/136 "2011-10-21T22:04:43Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > In other words, **Steophan** , do you toss butts or something? Nope, although that’s mainly because I only smoke at home or in a pub beer garden. I have no problem with people dropping fag butts, though. I’ve been pitted for this outrageous opinion before… Feel free to find that thread if you want to criticise my views on this. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2011, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/137 "2011-10-21T22:35:04Z")
> [@Loopus](#): > > . At that point, his accomplice picked up the knife and ran away (worst accomplice ever). I don’t know why but that really tickled my funny bone (well, more than it probably should anyway). ---
**Author:** ![Becky2844](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Becky2844](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Becky2844)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/138 "2011-10-22T03:22:38Z")
Moment? I’ve been fighting all my life. When I saw Gran Torino, Clint gave me my tag line. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/139 "2011-10-22T03:36:01Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Ah, vigilantism. Nope, training. If someone gets punished for doing something wrong right away, they are less likely to repeat the transgression. > [@](#): > > Hurrah :rolleyes: Or they could, you know, be fined for littering by the people who actually have the right to impose a punishment. That is, not you. Piffle. Cops have better things to do than chase down butt throwers. > [@tdn](#): > > You realize that not all cars have ashtrays, right? Otherwise people wouldn’t toss butts out of windows. My car doesn’t have an ashtray - my husband uses an empty can. Lack of an ashtray is zero excuse. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2011, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987/140 "2011-10-22T03:37:30Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > If people want to debate the correct way to deal with someone throwing a cigarette butt out the window, please start a new thread. > > Thanks, > > **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator Ooops :smack: Sorry Where is that groveling smilie? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/every-now-and-then-you-come-across-somebody-you-shouldnt-have-f-ed-with/599987.md?page=8)