# Everyone gets this wrong **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted, movies\ **Created:** [June 3, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166 "2025-06-03T15:48:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/189 "2025-06-06T14:34:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The vampires have apparently gotten so used to people wearing crosses without faith, I recall a short story I read once. The guy made a point that it wasn’t the cross that had power, it was _the crucifixion_. A plain cross had no more power than a plus sign. But he had a massive tattoo of the full crucifixion on his chest, with incredible details of Jesus’ suffering rendered as life-like as possible, so he could kill vampires whenever they got close enough to him to feed. Basically hugging them to death. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/190 "2025-06-06T14:38:48Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Now, as an idealistic Christian, if I fall off a skyscraper, I’ll be very disappointed if I spend my last moments screaming. I don’t like heights, or falling. Even if there were a bungee cord or trampoline involved so that I was reasonably sure I _wasn’t_ going to die, I’d still be screaming. ---
**Author:** ![dorvann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@dorvann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorvann)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/191 "2025-06-06T15:30:17Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > the Federation is indeed a Socialist Utopia. That just raises another debate about whether The Federation is a Utopia. _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_ spent lot of time debunking the idea. Though I admit Gene Rodenberry’s original vision of Star Trek and The Federation was that of a utopia ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/192 "2025-06-06T15:35:23Z")
It’s a Utopia if you’re a Socialist 🙂 To Ralph Offenhouse it’s probably a Communist Nightmare. But yeah the thesis of latter season DS9 is definitely about the complexities of “Paradise”. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/193 "2025-06-06T15:36:13Z")
> [@dorvann](#): > > _Star Trek: Deep Space Nine_ spent lot of time debunking the idea. The Federation is a root beer- flavored utopia. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/194 "2025-06-06T16:04:04Z")
It makes sense that Christian iconography would repel vampires. After all, isn’t the promise of Christianity eternal life. Vampirism provides a sexier path to the same destination. It isn’t protection as much as it’s taking out the competition. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/195 "2025-06-06T16:05:20Z")
And yet both Christianity and vampirism share an interest in drinking blood. ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/196 "2025-06-06T16:37:48Z")
I think this falls into the thread topic of “everyone gets this wrong.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/197 "2025-06-06T16:58:43Z")
Yes, it was really just a Rodenberryst fantasy utopia, while Gene was around. Not socialist, hell no real socioideological underpinnings, especially in the early TNG seasons it was just all about emphasizing as hard as he could that whatever it was, it meant whatever the Reagan Era was not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/198 "2025-06-06T17:06:21Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And yet both Christianity and vampirism share an interest in drinking blood. You should lead a conference where the two groups unite to focus on common ground. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/199 "2025-06-06T19:26:05Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > The Federation is a root beer- flavored utopia. It’s _insidious_! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/200 "2025-06-06T23:08:06Z")
To quote an old short story: “Comrade, Comrade,” the vampire said, shaking his head sadly as he plucked the crucifix from his fingers. “And I thought you’d be a good Communist to the end!” > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And yet both Christianity and vampirism share an interest in drinking blood. Reminds me of the Harry Turtledove story where Jesus is a vampire and the Vatican has him in their basement. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/201 "2025-06-06T23:37:59Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Reminds me of the Harry Turtledove story where Jesus is a vampire and the Vatican has him in their basement. Very interesting. Never heard of that one or the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/202 "2025-06-06T23:47:23Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Very interesting. Never heard of that one or the idea. [Under St Peter’s](https://turtledove.fandom.com/wiki/Under_St._Peter%27s) is the title. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/203 "2025-06-06T23:50:55Z")
OTTOMH, In Vampire The Masquerade there were 13 clans of vampires. The book about the Malkavians (Madness is their curse and their power. They were inspired by V from V For Vendetta) includes Rasputin among the famous Malkavians. He can be seen getting communion at midnight masses. He claims the host transubstantiates to the blood of Christ in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/204 "2025-06-07T02:46:30Z")
Sorry to be that guy, but did you mean the _body_ of Christ? The host is His body and the wine is His blood. But, of course, Dracula never drank… wine. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/205 "2025-06-07T02:59:25Z")
Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation is that the host contains the body and blood of Christ, so if you only take the host, you are receiving both. See wikipedia: [Concomitance (doctrine) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concomitance_(doctrine)) > The doctrine states that since Christ is indivisible, no one part of Christ’s substance can be divided.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concomitance_(doctrine)#cite_note-catholicculture.org-1) Thus, Christ’s body can not be separated from his blood which means that Christ’s full presence is in each element fully. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/206 "2025-06-07T03:32:27Z")
I found a PDF of the book in question on this computer’s hard drive. Since this is my old, spare computer I had trouble copying the text. I finally just saved it as a gif and uploaded it to Imgur. NOTE- This is one paragraph from roughly a hundred pages. It should fall well within the bounds of fair use. [[Album] imgur.com ![](https://i.imgur.com/MyxRVkL.gif?fb "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/a/epbX63A) ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/207 "2025-06-07T07:07:28Z")
The movie title The Last Samurai is plural not singular, and also doesn’t refer to white guy Tom Cruise as being the titular Last Samurai. ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2025, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166/208 "2025-06-07T07:35:47Z")
That last line is pretty funny. Thanks for posting it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-gets-this-wrong/1019166.md?page=10)