# Everyone hates it, it's notoriously bad, yet you love it. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 29, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536 "2011-08-29T19:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/1 "2011-08-29T19:41:26Z")
What things to you love that are infamously bad, and everyone else mentions as the best and most obvious example of a bad thing? I’ll start of with a big one, to make everyone else less shy. Trust me, you won’t look bad following me - here it is: I think Jar-Jar Binks is hilarious and he made the _The Phantom Menace_ for me - easily the best single thing from that movie. Then again, I was a kid, and I hadn’t seen the old ones, so I wasn’t comparing the movie to anything else. I still don’t get what the problem is. Another example? Okay, here it is: I love Gabriel Knight 3. I played that game for hours and days and years. I wore out a copy and had to buy a new one. It was the last game I was able to play that obsessively - the last game of my childhood, if you will. And my favorite part, the bit I described starry-eyed when describing the game to other people, is a problem fairly early on: persuading Gabriel Knight to leave town by figuring out how to rent the Harley. I though the puzzle was hilariously brilliant, completely off the wall quirky, and it really made the game for me. It is fairly involved but it goes like this: 1. The main character refuses to advance the plot unless you rent a particular motorcycle for him. 2. The motorcycle is reserved for someone else. 3. You “borrow” this someone elses ID. However, Gabriel Knight looks nothing like the picture in this ID. 4. Solution? You give both Gabriel Knight, and the picture in the ID _a fake mustache_. Since a fake mustache is the perfect disguise, this fools the rental place. I fell off my chair laughing when I solved this puzzle. Later, I find out that this single puzzle is what everyone points to when saying how much Gabriel Knight 3 obviously sucks, and it’s even been blamed for killing the adventure game genre as a whole. So, anyone else? What do you love that everyone else points to as an obvious example of suckitude? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/2 "2011-08-29T19:50:18Z")
**Ishtar**. ---
**Author:** ![wedgehed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8edcca/32.png) [@wedgehed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wedgehed)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/3 "2011-08-29T20:01:07Z")
I liked the movie _Daredevil_ & Ben Affleck seems like an OK guy to me. ---
**Author:** ![happycamper\_5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cab0a1/32.png) [@happycamper\_5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happycamper_5)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/4 "2011-08-29T20:03:00Z")
[E.T. The Extra Terrestrial for the Atari 2600](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_%28video_game%29) - Wiki link Yes, it’s one of the worst video games ever released - a complete disappointment as a movie tie-in, boring, bizarre graphics (“if I fall in the goddamn wells ONE MORE TIME…!!”), aggravating gameplay (“if those FBI agents catch me ONE MORE TIME…!!”) and almost entirely to blame for the Great Video Game Crash of 1983. But I loved it. I was only 8 years old at the time of its release and as such, I loved video games too much to realize I should have hated it. The day I beat the game is one of my fondest childhood memories. ---
**Author:** ![Unintentionally\_Blank](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unintentionally_blank/32/5418_2.png) [@Unintentionally\_Blank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unintentionally_Blank)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/5 "2011-08-29T20:03:43Z")
I like spam. And Vienna sausages. And smoked oysters. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/6 "2011-08-29T20:13:51Z")
> [@happycamper\_5](#): > > [E.T. The Extra Terrestrial for the Atari 2600](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.T._the_Extra-Terrestrial_%28video_game%29) - Wiki link Me too! I played the game before I ever saw the movie so playing it without any expectations probably helped. As to the OP, I enjoy Velveeta and processed American cheese singles, the ones in plastic wrappers. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/7 "2011-08-29T20:19:28Z")
_Freddy Got Fingered_ - probably the only comedy movie that I have seen more than ten times. ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/8 "2011-08-29T20:19:39Z")
I love eating Ho Hos while listening to _Their Satanic Majesties Request._ I’m not kidding. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/9 "2011-08-29T20:24:47Z")
Waterworld. \? ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/10 "2011-08-29T20:25:00Z")
To this day, I think “Indiana Jones & The Temple Of Doom” was the most enjoyable movie of the series; I had no idea how badly it was thought of until I discovered the SDMB… ## (The original Raiders Of The Lost Ark was indeed excellent, and in my TOD “defense” I haven’t seen any of the Indiana Jones movies again in over 15 or 20 years, so maybe if I was to watch Temple Of Doom again I would feel differently today) I also think that Burger King’s french fries are excellent, the best large chain fries around—I don’t eat meat, so I can’t say anything about any of the other Burger King offerings, but I take my parents to BK every couple of weeks, where they split a Whopper Combo and I will often get an order of fries and a Coke. The fries are always perfect, and my parents really like the burger. Like Temple Of Doom, I didn’t realize that Burger King was supposedly awful, at least according to most Dopers… ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/11 "2011-08-29T20:26:09Z")
Anchovies. ---
**Author:** ![Septima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@Septima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Septima)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/12 "2011-08-29T20:26:26Z")
I loved Waterworld. I need to watch it again. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/13 "2011-08-29T20:28:15Z")
> [@Unintentionally\_Blank](#): > > I like spam. And Vienna sausages. And smoked oysters. +1, along with scrapple, black pudding, Vegemite, and chipped beef. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/14 "2011-08-29T20:32:40Z")
The ending of A.I. Eveybody thinks it should have ended with him at the bottom of the ocean. I think that’s the point where it starts to get interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/15 "2011-08-29T20:43:27Z")
I like Nickelback. I think they’re a pretty good band and I don’t understand the widespread hate for them. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/16 "2011-08-29T20:48:19Z")
> [@Huerta88](#): > > +1, along with scrapple, black pudding, Vegemite, and chipped beef. Black (aka blood) pudding yes. Marmite (Vegemite UK version) yes. And haggis - [haggis, neeps and tatties](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis), now that’s some good food right there. I also like McDonalds Filet o Fish sandwiches. And [The Golden Girls](http://www.goldengirlscentral.com/). ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/17 "2011-08-29T21:06:49Z")
I really enjoyed Waterworld and also the Core and torment my peers by insisting we watch it when they’re on TV. I’m looking foward to Liam Neeson saying, “You sunk my battleship!” in the notorious film coming out. I also possess the attention span to stare at a topless woman wiggling about with explosions and aliens in the background. Yes. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/18 "2011-08-29T21:12:39Z")
I really shouldn’t be here, because my contribution, such as it is, fails to meet the requirement of being “notoriously bad.”\* I love [Casino Royale.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_%281967_film%29) It is, without question, the best Bond film that was ever made, and the only one worth watching more than once. \*Where “notoriously bad” is defined as “actually, really and truly _bad_, and notorious for being so.” If it’s simply defined as “notorious for being thought of as _bad_ by a large number of people,” I’m okay with that. The people who think it is bad are simply wrong about it. ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/19 "2011-08-29T21:14:58Z")
_Glitter_ (Hey I like Mariah!) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/20 "2011-08-29T21:16:47Z")
I love the movie _Caligula_. One of my all time favorites. I can’t take my eyes off it. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536.md?page=2)