# Everyone hates it, it's notoriously bad, yet you love it. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 29, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536 "2011-08-29T19:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Max\_the\_Immortal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Max\_the\_Immortal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_the_Immortal)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/141 "2011-09-02T04:13:23Z")
McDonald’s, bologna, canned ravioli, canned meatballs, hot dogs… basically anything made with ground up non-choice bits of the animal. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2011, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/142 "2011-09-02T04:33:20Z")
Cheap French dressing served at American restaurants. The kind delivered in 18-wheel tanker trucks. The cheap vinegary kind. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/143 "2011-09-03T00:07:46Z")
Domino’s Pizza. I have very simple tastes in food. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/144 "2011-09-03T03:19:52Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > John Wayne as Temujin/Genghis Khan in “The Conqueror” “I am bereft of spit!” Classic. ---
**Author:** ![Troubles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Troubles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troubles)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/145 "2011-09-03T18:39:03Z")
Greasy, soggy french fries are the best french fries. Also, Peeps. Especially odd since I don’t like regular marshmallows. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/146 "2011-09-03T19:57:14Z")
Dude, Where’s My Car? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/147 "2011-09-03T22:12:29Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Dude, Where’s My Car? That doesn’t count - everyone liked Dude, Where’s My Car. Right? … Right? ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2011, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/148 "2011-09-03T22:17:20Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > That doesn’t count - everyone liked Dude, Where’s My Car. Right? > > … > > Right? You’re just taunting us, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/149 "2011-09-04T00:55:54Z")
“Atlas Shrugged.” “Everybody Loves Raymond.” Brussels sprouts. Operetta music. Hot dogs with ketchup. Canned tuna or salmon. ST: Voyager. And who the hell hates the Carpenters??? Karen Carpenter had one of the greatest voices of the 20th century. Or is it the music itself that’s hated? I don’t have a problem with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/150 "2011-09-04T02:52:50Z")
I think some of you might be a bit off in your idea of what is hated. Bablyon 5 has its haters, as most things do, but it is often hailed as a great Sci-fi show. > [@gallows\_fodder](#): > > I love American cheese. I’ve eaten cheese from all over the world and enjoyed it, but American cheese is my favorite. I agree. Nothing tastes better melted over hamburgers. > [@panache45](#): > > “Atlas Shrugged.” > > . That’s hated? ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/151 "2011-09-04T04:22:27Z")
I remembered another one… I actually enjoy Guy Fieri on “Diners, Drive ins and Dives.” He may be douchebaggy, but there’s something very earnest and honest about him and how he interacts with all the small restaurant owners that makes it very watchable. ---
**Author:** ![Blackhawk441](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/76d3ee/32.png) [@Blackhawk441](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackhawk441)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/152 "2011-09-04T04:35:40Z")
I’m gonna have to confess that I greatly enjoy watchinjg _T.J. Hooker_ and _Walker: Texas Ranger._ And of course, not to mention the film opuses _Commando_ and _Con Air._ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/153 "2011-09-04T04:43:30Z")
The 1999 _Lost In Space_ movie. I’m still bummed that there’s not a sequel. I also don’t dislike any of Star Trek, which includes both Voyager and Enterprise. Applebees and similar chains. I don’t get the hate. Heck, usually chains are better than non-chains. The latter all taste about the same, while different chains taste noticeably different. I also think that medium steak just hasn’t finished cooking. And I never heard that canned meats or pasta was somehow bad. Sure, it’s not the real thing. But why does it have to be? Oh, and count me as someone who loves BK fries. But I think that’s a peculiarity of the Dope not to like them, or they’d have changed them back by now. They are the best fast food fries in existence. ---
**Author:** ![DETXL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/detxl/32/19366_2.png) [@DETXL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DETXL)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/154 "2011-09-04T05:33:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > That’s hated? Not by “everyone,” but I don’t think it would be a stretch to describe _Atlas Shrugged_ as “notoriously bad.” Certainly it fetches a lot of scorn. I like _Waterworld_ and _The Day After Tomorrow_, both of which have been mentioned, but I’ll throw a helping of _Tank Girl_ in for good measure. “Everyone” may not hate it, but I really enjoyed the film _Starship Troopers_ (and I say this as a huge Heinlein fan, although I do not like the film _as_ a Heinlein fan obviously). Also I thought _The Phantom Menace_ was the best of the prequels, and the closest Lucas came to recapturing what made the original _Star Wars_ so fun. It may be that I was not meant for this “movie” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/155 "2011-09-04T08:25:57Z")
> [@DETXL](#): > > Not by “everyone,” but I don’t think it would be a stretch to describe _Atlas Shrugged_ as “notoriously bad.” Certainly it fetches a lot of scorn I’d describe it more as polarising than bad. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/156 "2011-09-04T08:41:19Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Applebees and similar chains. I don’t get the hate. Applebees is hated? It’s fucking delicious! ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/157 "2011-09-04T08:48:39Z")
I too enjoyed the first _Starship Troopers_ film, as well as the third one (the second one was pretty lacking, aside from a couple of memorable scenes). Also, love love love _Everybody Loves Raymond_, one of my family’s favorite shows to watch together. The characters remind us of (very exaggerated) versions of various members of our own family. I’ve got no problem with Taco Bell. Very rarely have any particular drive to go for it, but I’ve never minded eating there. Not real Mexican food? Neither is probably any Mexican food most folks have had. Had a co-worker deride another taco restaurant as “Not authentic Tex-Mex!” My reply was to look at him and go “So? If I want authentic Tex-Mex, I can just go home and ask my mom to cook something.” Also, love eating at McD’s and Burger King from time to time. If I wanted “real, quality burgers”, again, I’d go home and have my dad grill some, as I’ve yet to go to a restaurant whose burgers compared to his. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/158 "2011-09-04T09:15:31Z")
I’ve been watching Jem on the Hub, and it’s dated, Pizzazz is such a hater, and the women’s eyeshadow is godawful … but it’s fun to watch The Holograms win over the Misfits. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/159 "2011-09-04T09:15:52Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > I too enjoyed the first _Starship Troopers_ film, as well as the third one (the second one was pretty lacking, aside from a couple of memorable scenes). This is a perfect addition to the thread. Most people hate it, but it’s fans can appreciate its underlying brilliance. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/160 "2011-09-04T09:33:27Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > This is a perfect addition to the thread. > > Most people hate it, but it’s fans can appreciate its underlying brilliance. Well, it’s a very well made movie, just not a very deep or intelligent one. The sequels both lack a certain degree of quality that the first one has. Also, the third movie was way too campy and obviously low-budget, but still fun in parts. That said, as an adaptation of one of my favorite Heinlen books? I find myself asking to this day why they chose Verhooeven of all people to do an adaptation of Heinlen. Kind of like if you wanted Micheal Bay to make Schindler’s List. Just not a good match. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536.md?page=9)