# Everyone hates it, it's notoriously bad, yet you love it. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 29, 2011, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536 "2011-08-29T19:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/161 "2011-09-04T17:55:07Z")
Oh God yes, Fruitcake! My favorite part of Christmas, because nobody else eats it! Well, okay, my daughter got the fruitcake gene, so she and I fight over it. I love the cheapest boxed macaroni and cheese you can find. I love water. No flavor, no bubbles, no minerals, and usually, NOT the crap out of a faucet. But just plain water. I know people who say, “I hate drinking water.” To me, this is just as inconceivable as saying, “I hate air,” or “I hate breathing.” I love the movie “Starship Troopers.” I love all the silly “Tremors” movies. And I will ALWAYS watch either “Airport” movies or “Naked Gun” movies. I also loved the very short-lived “Police Squad” TV series. And I hate Oreos. ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2011, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/162 "2011-09-04T23:02:13Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Well, it’s a very well made movie, just not a very deep or intelligent one. The sequels both lack a certain degree of quality that the first one has. Also, the third movie was way too campy and obviously low-budget, but still fun in parts. > > That said, as an adaptation of one of my favorite Heinlen books? I find myself asking to this day why they chose Verhooeven of all people to do an adaptation of Heinlen. Kind of like if you wanted Micheal Bay to make Schindler’s List. Just not a good match. Next time you watch it, ask yourself the question, who is the aggressor? Basic science and numerous heavy hints about the nature of the regime suggests that Buenos Aires was destroyed in a false-flag attack. A militarised society needs an enemy to justify itself. I think Verhooeven was the perfect director for this film, what with his childhood in Nazi Holland, but he was not the best person to adapt Heinlein’s book. I consider them both masterpieces but in different ways. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/163 "2011-09-05T02:05:14Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > Next time you watch it, ask yourself the question, who is the aggressor? > Basic science and numerous heavy hints about the nature of the regime suggests that Buenos Aires was destroyed in a false-flag attack. > > A militarised society needs an enemy to justify itself. > > I think Verhooeven was the perfect director for this film, what with his childhood in Nazi Holland, but he was not the best person to adapt Heinlein’s book. > > I consider them both masterpieces but in different ways. Well, maybe it wasn’t fair to say the movie wasn’t deep, it just shouldn’t have been a Starship Troopers adaptation to begin with. He could have changed Rico’s name to James Kirk and called it Star Trek without changing any of the other details and it would have been as accurate an adaptation of the source material. And no, Buenos Aires was definitely not destroyed by a False Flag attack. It was just a convenient excuse to start the war. Never assume malice when incompetence is an adequate explanation. Always assume incompetence when dealing with the military and the government. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/164 "2011-09-05T02:21:13Z")
Fanfiction. I straight up love fanfiction. And not the good stuff. I’m not talking about the 100,000 word long Star Trek fanfic written by someone who has semi-realistic aspirations of becoming a published novelist. I’m talking about the true _trash_. Characters de-aging into children, characters waking up as kittens, overly sensitive grown men who cry at the drop of a hat, all of it. And the porn! I adore the porn, because even when it never comes close to turning me on, it never fails to make me smile. Don’t get me wrong, I read actual novels too - all the time, in fact - but sometimes, after a long hard day of work, I have to ask myself what I really want: a brilliant, slow paced classic, or the Tenth Doctor screwing Donna Noble against the Tardis console? The later will always win. ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/165 "2011-09-05T02:56:19Z")
> [@Raguleader](#): > > Well, maybe it wasn’t fair to say the movie wasn’t deep, it just shouldn’t have been a Starship Troopers adaptation to begin with. He could have changed Rico’s name to James Kirk and called it Star Trek without changing any of the other details and it would have been as accurate an adaptation of the source material. It wasn’t originally going to be a Starship Troopers “adaption”, but some exec noticed the superficial similarities, bourght the rights and bolted the name on it. Verhooeven hasn’t even read the book. > [@](#): > > And no, Buenos Aires was definitely not destroyed by a False Flag attack. It was just a convenient excuse to start the war. Never assume malice when incompetence is an adequate explanation. Always assume incompetence when dealing with the military and the government. 😃 Basic physics trumps this. A rock doesn’t get from one end of the galaxy to the other in days by virtue of magic bug farts. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/166 "2011-09-05T03:11:04Z")
> [@Namkcalb](#): > > Basic physics trumps this. A rock doesn’t get from one end of the galaxy to the other in days by virtue of magic bug farts. No reason to assume it had to travel by any artificial means. It could have just happened to be tumbling through the area when the Earth happened to be in its path. Like I said, it seems much more likely that they took a chance natural disaster and found a way to use it as an excuse to start a war with another group they already were having very high tensions with. EDIT: Plus, look at it this way: What sounds better: That some random rock found its way past our defenses and cold cocked us? Or that it was part of a nefarious alien plot to attack us? Blaming it on the Bugs was obviously a simple coverup for their own incompetence (and little else that the military does for the duration of the movie does much to dispel the impression that they are incompetent). ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Tyger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Silver\_Tyger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Tyger)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/167 "2011-09-05T03:14:38Z")
> [@anya\_marie](#): > > I’ve been watching Jem on the Hub, and it’s dated, Pizzazz is such a hater, and the women’s eyeshadow is godawful … but it’s fun to watch The Holograms win over the Misfits. I don’t think Jem and the Holograms counts as notoriously bad, considering there have been conventions for it. ---
**Author:** ![VOW](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vow/32/3043_2.png) [@VOW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VOW)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/168 "2011-09-05T05:03:30Z")
To Small Hen: Do a google search on k/s fan fiction. It’s supposed to be Kirk and Spock in a steamy duo! ~VOW ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/169 "2011-09-05T06:37:39Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I enjoyed the **Coneheads** movie. As did I! As well as the live-action _Popeye_, starring Robin Williams and Shelley Duvall. And that was despite my never having been a huge fan of the cartoon, even in childhood. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/170 "2011-09-05T12:32:33Z")
I like Yoko Ono. I really, genuinely like her and think she’s great. She’s gotten a bum rap and deserves better respect and appreciation. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/171 "2011-09-05T12:57:41Z")
> [@VOW](#): > > I also loved the very short-lived “Police Squad” TV series. If there is one entry that does not belong in this thread, this is it. mmm ---
**Author:** ![Namkcalb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c89c15/32.png) [@Namkcalb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Namkcalb)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/172 "2011-09-05T14:15:55Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > I like Yoko Ono. I really, genuinely like her and think she’s great. She’s gotten a bum rap and deserves better respect and appreciation. Didn’t she make Revolution 9, probably one of the most trippy pieces of art ever. She at least deserves kudos for that ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/173 "2011-09-05T14:41:56Z")
I like Oprah. There, I said it. I like her message, (that anyone can come from nothing and make something of themselves, that we could all live better lives, etc.) I like that she got people reading again, I like that she puts her picture on her mag, because it sells more mags and her message reaches more people, (though she doesn’t really like doing it every month!), I think her actions today may well change the face of Africa tomorrow. I’ve never seen her be wicked, cruel or mean. And I don’t really care about those who hate on her. I like her. ---
**Author:** ![salinqmind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@salinqmind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/salinqmind)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/174 "2011-09-05T15:55:57Z")
> [@Max\_the\_Immortal](#): > > McDonald’s, bologna, canned ravioli, canned meatballs, hot dogs… basically anything made with ground up non-choice bits of the animal. Me, too. But I drew the line when we cooked up a plastic frozen tube of cheapie “chorizo” I got for $1 at Walmart. There was this…red…goop in the pan we all looked at it for a while… ? Anyone wanna go first?..then we read the ingredients: salivary glands, lymph nodes, pork fat and pork cheeks… Anyone? Hey, where y’all going? Bunch of sissies! ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/175 "2011-09-05T16:06:01Z")
> [@VOW](#): > > To Small Hen: > > Do a google search on k/s fan fiction. It’s supposed to be Kirk and Spock in a steamy duo! > ~VOW Oh, trust me. I’ve read more slash in the last 13 years or so (when I discovered fanfic) than could possibly be healthy or sane. Kirk and Spock are personal favorites. ---
**Author:** ![Raguleader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/176 "2011-09-05T16:28:00Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > Oh, trust me. I’ve read more slash in the last 13 years or so (when I discovered fanfic) than could possibly be healthy or sane. Kirk and Spock are personal favorites. Wasn’t that basically canon by STII? ---
**Author:** ![Brynda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Brynda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brynda)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/177 "2011-09-05T16:36:42Z")
I like really bad reality shows. Toddlers and Tiaras and the new trainwreck that is Dance Moms are favorites. Love them. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/178 "2011-09-05T17:35:00Z")
Spaghettios Mallrats ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/179 "2011-09-05T17:38:06Z")
I am always suprised at the amount of flak (pun intended) aimed at _Pearl Harbor_. I thought it was a really successful and enjoyable movie. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536/180 "2011-09-05T18:16:28Z")
> [@cjepson](#): > > _Satanic Majesties_ was pretty much universally panned when it came out and has gained a reputation as a monumental failure, a classic example of the worst excesses of psychedelia, and a cautionary tale of what can happen when a good band tries to follow trends and make music that is outside their skill set. As I said, though, I love it. Many people (myself included) who were unimpressed by TSMR when it was released have been surprised to realize as years passed that it has aged _very_ well. Today it’s one of my favorite Stones albums. (pause) Here’s my entry for “everyone” hates it but I love it: \* “Inna godda da VEE da, HONN uh…”\* One of life’s guilty pleasures is whapping that drum solo on your own wet ass in the shower. . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-hates-it-its-notoriously-bad-yet-you-love-it/594536.md?page=10)