# Everyone should know what an asshole Budget Player Cadet is **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027 "2014-04-13T18:22:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/261 "2014-04-20T17:30:28Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > It amazes me that anyone would seriously claim **BBC** wouldn’t have been banned by now if he were a pro-life conservative for instance. Not because of mod bias, but because the lynch mob forming up around him would be much larger. As I said before, this is purest unadulterated bullshit. We have conservative posters who have been savaged for their unpopular views in the Pit (and who have more warnings than BPC) who continue to post freely on the rest of the board. Anyone conducting a “lynch mob” campaign elsewhere on the board is likely to be warned for harassment or stalking, and it they persist will be banned a lot quicker than their target. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/262 "2014-04-20T18:51:07Z")
AFAIK, Satan was banned in part for stalking and leading lynch mob campaigns. Actually he was banned for being a jerk, but the preceding was an aspect of that. OTOH, the mods have great tolerance for whining. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/263 "2014-04-20T19:00:15Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > AFAIK, Satan was banned in part for stalking and leading lynch mob campaigns. Actually he was banned for being a jerk, but the preceding was an aspect of that. > > OTOH, the mods have great tolerance for whining. As for lynch mobs, they have circled around around Diogenes the Cynic, Liberal (aka Libertarian), The Ryan and Shodan. The 2 named never-banned conservatives have benefited from the mods’ tendency to bend over backwards for that ideology. I agree with this: conservatives _deserve_ special protection because they suffer from the disadvantage of having weaker arguments. It’s only fair. At any rate, on most boards, repeatedly getting in the mods face gets you rejected. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/264 "2014-04-20T19:14:32Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > …I agree with this: conservatives _deserve_ special protection because they suffer from the disadvantage of having weaker arguments. It’s only fair… Participation ribbons aren’t enough? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/265 "2014-04-20T20:54:12Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > As for lynch mobs, they have circled around around Diogenes the Cynic, Liberal (aka Libertarian), The Ryan and Shodan. The 2 named never-banned conservatives have benefited from the mods’ tendency to bend over backwards for that ideology. And you kidding me? Are you seriously suggesting that conservatives are handled with extra care on this MB? And are you seriously offering those anecdotes as your argument? And are you seriously suggesting that **DtC** didn’t irritate posters _across the political spectrum_? And, are you seriously suggesting that **Shodan** clearly and obviously violates the rules the way **DtC** did? And… I could go on, but I won’t. I will only add that arguably the most contentious poster to resist banning here is so far to the left that he’s almost circled back 'round to the right. Whole threads have been devoted to why he hasn’t been banned (although, just to be clear, I have not personally called for his banning). You get 3 guesses to whom I refer, and the first 2 don’t count. At any rate, I suppose it’s unavoidable that mods are going to be biased against certain poster or certain ideologies, but they seem to do as good job of keeping those biases in check. If you feel persecuted, as a conservative, here you’re probably suffering from confirmation bias if you think the mods are out to get your ilk. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/266 "2014-04-20T22:26:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > And you kidding me? Are you seriously suggesting that conservatives are handled with extra care on this MB? Shodan has received TLC given that he’s been pretty consistently in the mods face. Which is to say getting in the mods face won’t get you banned. > [@](#): > > And are you seriously offering those anecdotes as your argument? And are you seriously suggesting that **DtC** didn’t irritate posters _across the political spectrum_? Anecdotes? The sample of posters who have been encircled by pitchforks isn’t that large. Sorry John what I presented was _data_. If you want to add Der Trihs to the sample, no prob. The original contention by Debaser was that badly acting conservatives would get promptly banned because they would get lots of posts reported. That contention was falsified. Recall the DtC ban announcement: _basically all the complaints were for things that he did which were entirely within the rules._ Insofar as the mob was concerned, this was a content problem or at best a matter of, “Presenting things in the worst possible way”, which is not a bannable offense. > [@](#): > > And, are you seriously suggesting that **Shodan** clearly and obviously violates the rules the way **DtC** did? I dunno, because DtC was banned for piquene mis-steps. Shodan has considerably more discipline: he thinks _strategically_. Badly sourced and dishonestly presented hit and run posts and tu quoque trollish hijacks are accepted here.\* > [@](#): > > At any rate, I suppose it’s unavoidable that mods are going to be biased against certain poster or certain ideologies, but they seem to do as good job of keeping those biases in check. If you feel persecuted, as a conservative, here you’re probably suffering from confirmation bias if you think the mods are out to get your ilk. Ya, that was my point. - For non-trollish tu quoque, see Bricker. He gets the short end by the mob here, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/267 "2014-04-20T23:20:39Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > \However, that doesn’t mean that blatant idiots and assholes like **BBC** should get a pass.\ I’ve seen this abbreviation a few times in this thread. Just to confirm, **BBC** is **Budget Player Cadet** , correct? So why isn’t this **BPC**? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/268 "2014-04-20T23:40:13Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve seen this abbreviation a few times in this thread. Just to confirm, **BBC** is **Budget Player Cadet** , correct? So why isn’t this **BPC**? Stop persecuting **Debaser**. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/269 "2014-04-21T00:48:13Z")
You’re right. I apparently should be debasing **Persecuter** instead. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/270 "2014-04-21T00:54:22Z")
I don’t mean to criticize or speak out of turn, but this thread is dumb and boring now and you’re all stupid. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/271 "2014-04-21T01:40:28Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Shodan has received TLC given that he’s been pretty consistently in the mods face. Which is to say getting in the mods face won’t get you banned. I can’t claim to have read all of **Shodan’s** posts, but that’s an absurdly subjective statement, and I haven’t seen any evidence of it. > [@](#): > > Anecdotes? The sample of posters who have been encircled by pitchforks isn’t that large. Sorry John what I presented was _data_. If you want to add Der Trihs to the sample, no prob. No, those are anecdotes. Data would have to be comprehensive in order to prove such a broad generalization as you made. > [@](#): > > The original contention by Debaser was that badly acting conservatives would get promptly banned because they would get lots of posts reported. That contention was falsified. You don’t falsify 2+2=5 by claiming the answer is actually 6. > [@](#): > > Recall the DtC ban announcement: _basically all the complaints were for things that he did which were entirely within the rules._ Your recollection is incorrect. Of the 8 examples given in the “DtC is banned” thread in ATMB, 3 are for blatant rules violations (calling someone a dipshit outside the pit, claiming another poster is “lying through his teeth” in GD). The other examples might (and I emphasize might) be debatable as to whether they are rules violations, but it’s absurd to say that something like continuing a thread hijack after a mod has instructed posters not to do so to be “entirely within the rules”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/272 "2014-04-21T02:35:35Z")
People are comparing apples and oranges. Dio was banned for repeatedly explicitly insulting posters outside of the pit. Neither Shodan not Der Trihs has ever done that, or at least not to the extent that Arik did. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/273 "2014-04-21T02:49:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I can’t claim to have read all of **Shodan’s** posts, but that’s an absurdly subjective statement, and I haven’t seen any evidence of it. He regularly whines about an anti-conservative conspiracy in ATMB and gets in tomndeb’s face. > [@](#): > > No, those are anecdotes. Data would have to be comprehensive in order to prove such a broad generalization as you made. When N=~8 (say), n=4 is a sample. Though now we’re up to 5. > [@](#): > > Your recollection is incorrect. Of the 8 examples given in the “DtC is banned” thread in ATMB, 3 are for blatant rules violations (calling someone a dipshit outside the pit, claiming another poster is “lying through his teeth” in GD). The other examples might (and I emphasize might) be debatable as to whether they are rules violations, but it’s absurd to say that something like continuing a thread hijack after a mod has instructed posters not to do so to be “entirely within the rules”. I meant the discussion thread. People weren’t complaining about extra-Pit insults. They complained about Dio expressing things, “In the worst possible way”. If anything, Dio was the victim of excessive reporting of picayune negative remarks outside of the pit. Ibn Warraq: I agree with your claim. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/274 "2014-04-21T03:29:43Z")
Can I still mention ElvisL1ves’ comment on “the 9/11 perps were safely based in Montreal” at six-month intervals in threads where he scorns someone else’s crazy beliefs? I wouldn’t want to appear stalkish, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/275 "2014-04-21T13:28:09Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Has anyone been Modded for statements made about him, here? No. But we were vaguely warned we might be if we are hitting him and he doesn’t hit back. > [@](#): > > What do you think your point is? You brought it up. What’s your point? > [@](#): > > If you are arguing that in a discussion of Creationism, Race Politics, Anthropogenic Global Warming or similar topics, you feel the need to falsely accuse him of pedophilia without Mod intervention, then you are just wrong. I’m not arguing that. I haven’t done that. Has anyone? > [@](#): > > If someone pops up in a thread that is “totally unrelated” to the claims of his personal behavior in order to throw out charges against him, I will, indeed, consider that stalking. Why do you bring this up? Has anyone done this? Do you show up in every pit thread to remind people of this? What’s special in this case? Plus you are now only defending half of your statement to which I objected. > [@](#): > > _As long as BPC continued to interact with them_ and they were not popping into threads on totally unrelated topics to make personal remarks, we were probably not going to judge them to be stalking, per se. Italics mine. What’s that first bit mean? I read it simply to mean that even in this thread if he stops posting we might get modded for attacking him. If you didn’t mean that, it’s fine. You can retract. But the way you wrote that it’s certainly implies that you might get modded for pitting him here if he doesn’t fight back. If that’s not what you meant, why include it? If you were just making a statement that people shouldn’t stalk him in other threads why include the italicized part of your statement? You’re backpedaling. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/276 "2014-04-21T13:35:07Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’ve seen this abbreviation a few times in this thread. Just to confirm, **BBC** is **Budget Player Cadet** , correct? So why isn’t this **BPC**? Yeah. That’s odd. Autocorrect, maybe? I wasn’t doing it on purpose. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/277 "2014-04-21T14:48:39Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > He regularly whines about an anti-conservative conspiracy in ATMB and gets in tomndeb’s face. You’d have to clarify what you mean by getting in his face, but generally that is one of the purposes of that forum-- to complain about moderation. > [@](#): > > When N=~8 (say), n=4 is a sample. Though now we’re up to 5. But the claim was that the mods bend over backwards for conservatives. There are more than 8 conservatives on this MB. I’m not suggesting you substantiate your claim-- I’m suggesting it is, for all practical purposes, not something one can substantiate. > [@](#): > > I meant the discussion thread. People weren’t complaining about extra-Pit insults. They complained about Dio expressing things, “In the worst possible way”. If anything, Dio was the victim of excessive reporting of picayune negative remarks outside of the pit. OK, but there is no way I’m going to pick thru that thread, classify the various posts, and then report the statistics. If you’d like to do that, be my guest. I had to take a shower after the 15 minutes I spent reviewing the thread announcing his banning. Dio was not a victim of anything other than his disregard for the rules of this MB. If there was a lynch mod after him it had nothing to do with his politics, and everything with his inability to stop hijacking threads. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/278 "2014-04-21T15:11:28Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > People are comparing apples and oranges. Dio was banned for repeatedly explicitly insulting posters outside of the pit. > > Neither Shodan not Der Trihs has ever done that, or at least not to the extent that Arik did. \*\*Shodan \*\*implicitly insults everyone, in every post, with his sig line. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/279 "2014-04-21T15:31:32Z")
Still trying that one, eh? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/280 "2014-04-21T15:37:02Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > \*\*Shodan \*\*implicitly insults everyone, in every post, with his sig line. Geez, project much? I find it hard to see his silly little affectation as insulting to anyone, except possibly himself and even then only in the sense of making him look like the kind of person who compulsively uses silly little affectations. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027.md?page=15)