# Everyone should know what an asshole Budget Player Cadet is **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 13, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027 "2014-04-13T18:22:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/321 "2014-04-22T05:15:45Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I’ll believe it when I see a similar degree of ire directed at all the other posters who use signoffs. Who else uses a (non-sig, therefore non-hideable) signoff in every post they make? Tell me so I may contemn them as well. I know of no other poster who does this. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e19adc/32.png) [@Doctor\_Why\_Bother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Why_Bother)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/322 "2014-04-22T07:55:30Z")
I can think of at least three others: 1). MtgMan - ‘Enjoy, Steven.’ 2). mangeorge - ‘Peace, mangeorge’ 3). Mean Mr Mustard. - ‘MMM’ I’m sure there are more. Cheerio, DWB [sub]Yeah, I’m doing it too from now on. This entire tangent is ridiculous.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/323 "2014-04-22T09:04:23Z")
I wouldn’t count MMM with the other two or Shodan, it’s just his initials not a salutation. The other two go on the list (unless either of them’re doing it specifically to mock **Shodan** , cause that shit’s hi-larious) Not that the list means anything. I mean, I’m not a fan of the practice, but it’s not his _sign-off_ that’s the worst thing about **Shodan**. It’s, you know, his actual posts. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/324 "2014-04-22T13:09:31Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You’re a liar, who needs to distort things in order to make points. Why would you do that, if you had real points to make? Here’s your post to which I was referring… > [@Lobohan](#): > > So I’m guessing it’s the older posters who don’t get that it was a joke, right? > > Remember when your parents got angry at Lenny Bruce for being a potty mouth? This is like the same thing. Edgy satire of racism is okay now. Watch Tosh.0 or really any modern comedian. > > Do you think Colbert is really racist against Chinese people? No distortion is necessary. This is just a really, really dumb post on your part. It’s not just “older posters”. It’s not that anyone doesn’t get that it was a joke. It’s that the “joke” in question wasn’t funny, thus comparing it to Lenny Bruce is just fucking stupid. Furthermore, saying that satire of racism is okay for everyone now simply because Tosh.0 can pull it off just is just ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/325 "2014-04-22T14:05:01Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > But that doesn’t make my statement a lie. Correct. Your statement is a lie because you made it knowing it not to be true. As I said earlier, you seem to want to claim that sometimes and always are the same word. They aren’t, and saying they aren’t is not a lie. [QUOTE=Measure for Measure] Speaking generally, Shodan is very good at what he does. And part of what he does is distort his claims made earlier, often on a previous page of the same thread. [/QUOTE] Actually what I do is reject attempts to mischaracterize what I said. As in this case - **Kobal2** is the one distorting claims. And **Colibri** as well, which is unfortunate. I would have thought a mod, at least, would know that signoffs have explicitly been ruled as perfectly OK. Like I said, we have hashed this all out before, we have a clear and explicit ruling that it is OK, and yet the various sore losers of the SDMB are whining about it yet again. 'Twas ever thus. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/326 "2014-04-22T14:18:39Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Context is your friend. My post was in response to a question by **MrDibble** regarding posts to which I had referred in an exchange with **BPC** discussing what had occurred in the ATMB thread. The posters, there, were not Modded because he was choosing to interact with them. The topic of any poster’s behavior in this thread or this forum was never an issue. This isn’t true. The great thing about the format of posts in threads on a message board is you can go back and read them. Your post, even in the context of responding to **MrDibble** was not in response to anything anyone had posted in another thread. It was clearly about what people were posting in this thread. If that’s not what you meant then you can feel free to clarify. But it certainly reads that way. For reference, here’s **MrDibble’s** post: > [@MrDibble](#): > > I know this should be in ATMB, and I can always make a thread there if you like, but I want to know : why aren’t these people **being modded** , for being jerks if not trolling? > > Yes, **BPC** brought it on himself and he’s a big boy now, but IMO that’s the kind of jerkish behaviour we _should_ be modding. He’s clearly talking about this thread. He mentions ATMB because he’s talking about moderator actions which usually gets discussed in that forum. He’s not referring to any posts there, however. It looks like you misunderstood him, and that’s why your post caused confusion. No harm no foul. But a better approach would be to simply clarify what you meant, rather than insulting me for reacting to it. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/327 "2014-04-22T14:23:52Z")
That wasn’t my only post in this thread. I specifically referenced the ATMB thread in my reply to **tom** ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/328 "2014-04-22T15:11:19Z")
Yeah, but that’s not the post he was responding to. Let me just ask: In your second post to this thread, post 200, you asked why critics of **Budget** aren’t being modded because they are being jerks and trolling… Who were you talking about? And in which thread? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/329 "2014-04-22T21:55:15Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Speaking generally, Shodan is very good at what he does. And part of what he does is distort his claims made earlier, often on a previous page of the same thread. So extensive use of the multi quote function is advised. Also, be sure to stay on message. > [@Shodan](#): > > Actually what I do is reject attempts to mischaracterize what I said. As in this case - **Kobal2** is the one distorting claims. And **Colibri** as well, which is unfortunate. I would have thought a mod, at least, would know that signoffs have explicitly been ruled as perfectly OK. > > Like I said, we have hashed this all out before, we have a clear and explicit ruling that it is OK, and yet the various sore losers of the SDMB are whining about it yet again. 'Twas ever thus. > > Regards, > Shodan Check this one out. Shodan says, “I would have thought a mod, at least, would know that signoffs have explicitly been ruled as perfectly OK.” But where did Colibri say otherwise? Rather Colibri’s contention was: > [@Colibri](#): > > [He’s explicitly said he sometimes means it insultingly:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10503085&postcount=13) That’s incontrovertible Shodan, notwithstanding your claim in this thread: > [@What is trolling?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-trolling/544298/258): > > Yes, I know **pseudo whatever the fuck it is** kept claiming for a while that it was done to say “Fuck you” but he was making that up too. Um, no pseudo-whomever apparently wasn’t making shit up. But nice misdirection Shodan. Like I said, you’re pretty good at that. That’s all fine and well except that _it wastes our fucking time._ John Mace, Bricker and yeah I’ll say Sam Stone make points that are worth responding to. With Shodan and adaher though, addressing their posts is mostly a process of garbage disposal. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/330 "2014-04-23T01:30:54Z")
In \*\*adaher’s \*\*case, there is a strong recreational component, sort of like puppy baseball. **Bricker** is too smart for that, too slippery, with him, you have to seize the bull by the tail and face the situation. **John** and **Sam** are pretty good eggs, for the most part, except when they get grumpy, then they tend to turtle down, withdraw into their carapace and glower darkly at you from within. An articulate Oscar the Grouch with a much bigger vocabulary. **Shodan** , harder to judge. After 14 years, I have no actual evidence that he is aware of my existence. Wonder sometimes if I am uniquely privileged in that regard? And then, of course, there is **Starkers**. 'Nuff Sed. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/331 "2014-04-23T01:43:02Z")
This is in response to Debaser’s comments above. What I posted: > [@Lobohan](#): > > So I’m guessing it’s the older posters who don’t get that it was a joke, right? > > Remember when your parents got angry at Lenny Bruce for being a potty mouth? This is like the same thing. Edgy satire of racism is okay now. Watch Tosh.0 or really any modern comedian. > > Do you think Colbert is really racist against Chinese people? What you wrote: > [@Debaser](#): > > Hey, I remember you! You’re the guy who’s first post to this thread was saying that it’s only the “older posters” who disapprove of calling Jews vermin I said I guessed that it was older posters who didn’t understand the joke. I didn’t say that only old people would disapprove of calling Jewish people vermin. So what you said about me was inaccurate. > [@](#): > > and that it was “like the same thing” as Lenny Bruce having a potty mouth. Since instances some of the upset people that didn’t get it, that’s right. > [@](#): > > That’s quite a glass house your living in! I don’t think you understand that phrase. > [@](#): > > I’ll repeat what **John Mace** responded… Humor needs to be funny. But an attempt at humor you don’t find funny isn’t suddenly transmuted to racism. Read that line again to make sure that it sinks in. > [@Debaser](#): > > Here’s your post to which I was referring… > > No distortion is necessary. This is just a really, really dumb post on your part. As I just demonstrated, you’re just feeling around in the dark for a reason to be upset. > [@](#): > > It’s not just “older posters”. It’s not that anyone doesn’t get that it was a joke. It’s that the “joke” in question wasn’t funny, thus comparing it to Lenny Bruce is just fucking stupid. I’m not saying BPC is a brilliant comedian, although, since bismuth has a lot of edges in its natural state, the joke was a little funny, I’m saying that the concepts involved are similar. I know you have trouble with subtlety, so I’ll state that again: I’m not saying BPC is as funny as Lenny Bruce, I’m saying that the chucklefuck outrage by the clucking hens of the SD is similar to the outrage against Bruce. > [@](#): > > Furthermore, saying that satire of racism is okay for everyone now simply because Tosh.0 can pull it off just is just ridiculous. So something becomes racist retroactively based on whether he can “pull it off”? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/332 "2014-04-23T02:13:13Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > I’ll believe it when I see a similar degree of ire directed at all the other posters who use signoffs. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Were you not here a couple of years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/333 "2014-04-23T03:04:30Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > As in this case - **Kobal2** is the one distorting claims. It’s quite amusing - that accusation is in itself not mere distortion, but making shit up. I never said you claimed anything. I haven’t engaged you, at all. I said your sigline is smugly and implicitly insulting. Which it is. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/334 "2014-04-23T04:03:25Z")
While I personally find sign offs to be annoying affectations mostly made by those with an inflated sense of self-importance, I fail to understand why “Regards” is considered to be particularly dishonest or disingenuous or even insulting. Good regards? Best regards? Worst regards? Horrible regards? He does not say. Without a qualifier it does say anything other than that the person posting it wants to draw attention to his name at the end again and further establish his on-line “character.” In his mind it can imply whatever he wants it to, the [“as if”](http://www.answers.com/topic/as-if-personality) sign off, but in fact it means naught. Dumb? Sure. Pathetic? Perhaps. But as affectations go I don’t see why this one even warrants an eyeroll. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/335 "2014-04-23T04:25:24Z")
I’m not particularly upset by Shodan’s sig, nor his interpretation of it which is consistent with my take. Sometimes he’s just saying ciao. Other times he’s giving you the finger without giving you the finger. Not having ODd on false politeness (as Kobal has) I can’t get too upset about it. > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Were you not here a couple of years ago? Yeah, I was going to mention this. Snowboarder’s affectation, OTOH, makes me scream with rage, hurl crockery across the room and shatter furniture. The neighbors are getting a little worried. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/336 "2014-04-23T04:31:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > While I personally find sign offs to be annoying affectations mostly made by those with an inflated sense of self-importance, I fail to understand why “Regards” is considered to be particularly dishonest or disingenuous or even insulting. > > Good regards? Best regards? Worst regards? Horrible regards? He does not say. Without a qualifier it does say anything other than that the person posting it wants to draw attention to his name at the end again and further establish his on-line “character.” In his mind it can imply whatever he wants it to, the [“as if”](http://www.answers.com/topic/as-if-personality) sign off, but in fact it means naught. Dumb? Sure. Pathetic? Perhaps. But as affectations go I don’t see why this one even warrants an eyeroll. I agree. But I think it drives people who do not like him crazy because they see it as: Shodan _might_ be telling me, “Go fuck yourself, you stupid son of a bitch.”, and doing so without raising his heart rate. And doing in outside of The Pit! The beauty of it is that the offense has to conjured up by the offended. And every time someone complains about it that person is raising his hand and saying, “Mommy, Mommy, **Shodan** is thinking bad things about me! Make him stop!!” Yup, tis a thing of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/337 "2014-04-23T06:18:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Were you not here a couple of years ago? Yes, I was here a couple years ago. Do you have a point or did you just want to use that stupid catchphrase again? ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 7:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/338 "2014-04-23T07:56:46Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I agree. But I think it drives people who do not like him crazy because they see it as: Shodan _might_ be telling me, “Go fuck yourself, you stupid son of a bitch.”, and doing so without raising his heart rate. And doing in outside of The Pit! > > The beauty of it is that the offense has to conjured up by the offended. And every time someone complains about it that person is raising his hand and saying, “Mommy, Mommy, **Shodan** is thinking bad things about me! Make him stop!!” > > Yup, tis a thing of beauty. Yeah. As much as I find his signoff irritating sometimes, I know it’s my perverted little brain putting all that rancor in the otherwise innocuous (but malleable) statement. I can’t hear his tone of voice, I just perceive it as being snide if it’s at the end of an otherwise snide post. And when he does that, the bastard’s gone and made me unwittingly participate in my own antagonizing, which is even more annoying. But then again, I could just scroll past his posts. So, there’s obviously something in there for me. However, I tend to do things such as inhale deeply when I smell a fart or a skunk. My interest in something probably shouldn’t be regarded as your sign of quality. ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/339 "2014-04-23T12:31:30Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > But an attempt at humor you don’t find funny isn’t suddenly transmuted to racism. Read that line again to make sure that it sinks in. So where is the excluded middle here? I think there are basically two categories of people’s reaction to his “joke”. 1. Well, that was certainly a stupid, unfunny and racist thing to say. I get that he was trying to make an edgy joke, but what an idiot! 2. Ha! I think the vast majority of people would fall into category one. You apparently fall into category two. Congratulations. You’re an idiot. > [@](#): > > So something becomes racist retroactively based on whether he can “pull it off”? It’s not retroactive, but yes. You need to be able to pull it off. Those of us old people watching the Season of Brad know that Tosh can. **Budget Player Cadet** can’t. This is why your initial posts to this thread are so off the mark, assuming that the 90% of people who fall into category one above are old and out of touch with modern witty sarcasm. This is why it’s so easy to mock them, and no distortion of them is needed. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2014, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027/340 "2014-04-23T15:11:30Z")
Regarding **Shodan** and his sig, I don’t think that I’ve ever actually engaged him in conversation, unless it’s been in **Cafe Society** , and even then, it would have been nothing to write home about. But I read a lot of his posts. Usually I lurk in **Great Debates** , because I know my positions on issues, but am not really a strong enough debater to successfully defend those positions. I tend to lurk in **The Pit** , but usually don’t get angry enough to spew venom. As I said, I read a lot of **Shodan** ’s posts. He and I disagree politically, but I’ve never taken his sig as an insult. To me, it’s always come across - at worst - as an example of “killing with kindness,” where he just keeps being nice and polite, and it pisses you off even more. Another board I frequent has a poster who does something similar at the end of his posts. The guy’s name is Temphus, and he ends each post with “So sayeth the God of WAR!” That one bothers me. Mostly because of how much time it takes to type that out. **Shodan** ’s? Not so much. I mean, yeah, it’s irritating to read it so many times when he’s engaged in a debate, but I think people need to lighten up about it. Exit sigs are stupid, anyway. So sayeth Superdude! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everyone-should-know-what-an-asshole-budget-player-cadet-is/686027.md?page=18)