# Everything in Scientology is based on logic **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 12, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510 "2015-02-12T21:23:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/41 "2015-02-22T09:48:16Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I don’t get why people knock Scientology when its no more fanciful than to believe some guy in the sky created the Universe in 7 days, created a woman from the rib of a man, their ancestors had 900 year lifespans, and his son came back to life after 3 days. Their mythology is ridiculous, but all mythology is, which is why I don’t subscribe to any. Scientology deserves mocking just as any crazy cult does. Hence this thread. > [@](#): > > Just as old ladies in trailer parks mail their social security checks to millionaires like Pat Robertson. Yep. > [@](#): > > I had this discussion with a Jehovah’s Witness hater on this board: your religion is no less hateful, financially fraudulent and/or full of bullshit and bully gangsters than the next guy’s. Good, then we’re agreed that this kind of religion is poisonous to civilized society and promotes a gang mentality. Ultimately why I’ve been ripping on them for it. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/42 "2015-02-22T09:52:57Z")
At least the monotheists don’t charge you an arm and a leg for access to their copyright - protected mythology. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 9:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/43 "2015-02-22T09:58:24Z")
No, they just tell you that if you’re attracted to members of your own sex that you’re a horrible mistake that needs to be corrected, and that you’re going to burn forever in a pit of eternal hellfire, and convince parents to reinforce that message until teenaged kids end up killing themselves. Oh, and that’s in the progressive United States. In other countries they’ll throw you in jail or beat you to death. Monotheists, always doing the Lord’s work; convincing people that they still live in the dark ages and that witches need to be burned. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/44 "2015-02-22T10:48:20Z")
Not disagreeing with you, man. Just observing a salient feature of Scientology which differs from monotheism. ---
**Author:** ![Pjen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Pjen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pjen)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2015, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/45 "2015-02-22T11:08:01Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > What’s the real deal on what he’s talking about regarding why the book wasn’t published in the UK? He cites libel laws and that the book was all lies, but I suspect there is more to this story. It was not ‘published’ in the UK, but Amazon will happily let you have a Kindle copy! ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2015, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/46 "2015-02-23T18:20:17Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > No, they just tell you that if you’re attracted to members of your own sex that you’re a horrible mistake that needs to be corrected, and that you’re going to burn forever in a pit of eternal hellfire, and convince parents to reinforce that message until teenaged kids end up killing themselves. Scientologists aren’t fans [either](http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/12/fact-checking-danny-mastersons-remarkable-paper-interview-about-scientology/): > [@](#): > > Scientology is wired as a gay cure. Homosexuals are “1.1” on L. Ron Hubbard’s “tone scale” — which means they’re “covertly hostile,” and not to be trusted. (In Dianetics, Hubbard calls homosexuality a “perversion.”) So gay Scientologists not only have to stay closeted, they must pay for auditing in order to raise their “tone level” above 1.1 — in effect, curing them of their homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/47 "2015-03-12T01:44:10Z")
[Interview with Lawrence Wright,](http://www.salon.com/2015/03/11/lawrence_wright_on_scientologys_broken_community_and_the_complicity_of_tom_cruise_and_john_travolta/) author of [_Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief_](http://www.amazon.com/dp/0307745309/?tag=saloncom08-20) (basis for Alex Gibney’s HBO documentary of the same title premiering March 29). ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/48 "2015-03-12T10:37:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Everything in Aristotle is based on logic, and modern philosophers and scientists reject almost every bit of it. At least Aristotle didn’t commit an “appeal to authority” fallacy. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/49 "2015-03-12T11:18:22Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I don’t get why people knock Scientology when its no more fanciful than to believe some guy in the sky created the Universe in 7 days, created a woman from the rib of a man, their ancestors had 900 year lifespans, and his son came back to life after 3 days. I suppose they knock it because in additional to the “fanciful” part, it’s known to have been made up a handful of decades ago by a sub-standard science fiction writer, which adds an extra layer of contemptibility. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/50 "2015-03-12T14:47:57Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > At least Aristotle didn’t commit an “appeal to authority” fallacy. [That is not necessarily a fallacy.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_verecundiam) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/51 "2015-03-12T15:19:22Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Russell’s history is entertaining and well written. It’s worth reading as a smart guys opinion and even enlightining at times. It is absolutely worthless as an objective history of philosophy, unless read with other calmer writers who actually take the time to understand schools they might disagree with. > > I could have sworn people have tried to explain this to you before. In any event try [this](http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Philosophy-Robert-Solomon/dp/0195086473/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423848787&sr=8-1&keywords=short+history+of+philosophy+solomon) instead. :mad: Og, “Bob” and Allah, that book is fucking **disgusting!** Aboriginal Australian folklore about the Dreamtime is **not** philosophy! And there is **no** philosophy in the Old Testament apart from Ecclesiastes and Job! And no, come to think of it, Job doesn’t count either – it poses the Problem of Evil, but then God the Coward funks it by pulling rank. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/52 "2015-03-14T03:03:52Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I don’t get why people knock Scientology when its no more fanciful than to believe some guy in the sky created the Universe in 7 days, created a woman from the rib of a man, their ancestors had 900 year lifespans, and his son came back to life after 3 days. I never had to pay to attend my church when I was a Catholic. Nor was I given a [freeloader’s bill](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07scientology.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) when I left, nor was I cut off from my Catholic friends and family. Also, the Church - as well as other Christian, Jewish and Islamic groups - runs hospitals, schools, refugee services, orphanages, and other such philanthropic endeavors. Sure, Christian beliefs may not be any less irrational that Scientology’s; but as human institutions, Scientology is a whole helluva lot more sleazy and unethical than the Church. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2015, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/53 "2015-03-15T01:45:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Everything in Aristotle is based on logic, and modern philosophers and scientists reject almost every bit of it. You mean the Aristotelean logic that said that women and men have a different number of teeth, without his ever bothering to count them? ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 15, 2015, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510/54 "2015-03-15T10:13:25Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I don’t get why people knock Scientology when its no more fanciful than to believe some guy in the sky created the Universe in 7 days, created a woman from the rib of a man, their ancestors had 900 year lifespans, and his son came back to life after 3 days. > > Just as old ladies in trailer parks mail their social security checks to millionaires like Pat Robertson. > > I had this discussion with a Jehovah’s Witness hater on this board: your religion is no less hateful, financially fraudulent and/or full of bullshit and bully gangsters than the next guy’s. Have you been on this board long? We’ve got atheists who knock all that stuff. Anyway, I’ll knock the Church of Scientology because of how they treat their members–the ones without millions of dollars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/everything-in-scientology-is-based-on-logic/712510.md?page=2)