# evidence for god? some one said so. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2013, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896 "2013-01-21T08:55:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/321 "2013-02-07T20:19:50Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I agree, plain old Availability Heuristic is also a part of the problem, and as usual the solution is proper education instead of the usual crappy education we have now. But I don’t think that is enough. California has an excellent section on evolution, we got an A. While we might be better than Alabama, there are still lots of creationists here. Education happens once, but we are bombarded with creationists images all the time, even those meant innocently. Bill Cosby did the Flood. Fantasia 2 had a Noah’s Ark segment. Adam and Eve cartoons are all over the place. It is kind of like Santa, except that the evidence for Santa’s non-existence becomes pretty obvious, while evolution is more subtle. For atheists it is easy to tell our kids right out that there is no such thing as Adam and Eve, but I suspect many religionists would worry that this would start an uncomfortable set of questions for their kids. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/322 "2013-02-07T21:31:39Z")
Thank You. I believe in time all will experience as I did. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/323 "2013-02-07T21:42:41Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Thank You. I believe in time all will experience as I did. Before or after death? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/324 "2013-02-07T21:47:54Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Before or after death? I _really_ wish you hadn’t said that. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/325 "2013-02-07T21:57:44Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Before or after death? Some before and some after. Death is not an end. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/326 "2013-02-07T23:14:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I _really_ wish you hadn’t said that. I like to hear others’ beliefs, and there’s not much else going on in this thread anymore. > [@lekatt](#): > > Some before and some after. Death is not an end. Does your faith include salvation and damnation, which is dependent upon accepting a savior, asking forgiveness, or another ‘active’ choice? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/327 "2013-02-07T23:17:44Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > Death is not an end. Only if your name is Cthulhu and the stars are right. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/328 "2013-02-08T00:50:46Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > I like to hear others’ beliefs, and there’s not much else going on in this thread anymore. Please, please, do a search on lekatt and death. You’ll have plenty to keep you busy. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/329 "2013-02-08T01:02:41Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Only if your name is Cthulhu and the stars are right. Or Superman or Jean Grey. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/330 "2013-02-08T01:22:14Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > I like to hear others’ beliefs, and there’s not much else going on in this thread anymore. > Does your faith include salvation and damnation, which is dependent upon accepting a savior, asking forgiveness, or another ‘active’ choice? No salvation or damnation, no savior or doctrine, no penitence or groveling, no belief system or dogma, only unconditional love. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/331 "2013-02-08T02:22:34Z")
And the occasional killer hurricane. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/332 "2013-02-08T04:32:45Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > And the occasional killer hurricane. and spiders - there are always spiders. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/333 "2013-02-08T05:13:57Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Please, please, do a search on lekatt and death. You’ll have plenty to keep you busy. Oh, alright. I had no idea this was such well-covered territory. > [@lekatt](#): > > No salvation or damnation, no savior or doctrine, no penitence or groveling, no belief system or dogma, only unconditional love. Understood. It bothers me when visions and revelations are incorporated into religions that do have those features; seems awfully unfair to only reveal the proof of the faith that will get you into heaven to a select few. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/334 "2013-02-08T05:31:22Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > Oh, alright. I had no idea this was such well-covered territory. > > Understood. It bothers me when visions and revelations are incorporated into religions that do have those features; seems awfully unfair to only reveal the proof of the faith that will get you into heaven to a select few. All will go to heaven, everyone is included. The more it is explained the more confused it becomes. That is why it can’t be known by words. I have learned much in 10 years what I said previously may or may not be relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/335 "2013-02-08T05:35:00Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > All will go to heaven, everyone is included. The more it is explained the more confused it becomes. That is why it can’t be known by words. > > I have learned much in 10 years what I said previously may or may not be relevant. And by what method did you gain this new knowledge? ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/336 "2013-02-08T05:49:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > But I don’t think that is enough. California has an excellent section on evolution, we got an A. While we might be better than Alabama, there are still lots of creationists here. Education happens once, but we are bombarded with creationists images all the time, even those meant innocently. Bill Cosby did the Flood. Fantasia 2 had a Noah’s Ark segment. Adam and Eve cartoons are all over the place. > It is kind of like Santa, except that the evidence for Santa’s non-existence becomes pretty obvious, while evolution is more subtle. For atheists it is easy to tell our kids right out that there is no such thing as Adam and Eve, but I suspect many religionists would worry that this would start an uncomfortable set of questions for their kids. I had more general education in mind. Like teaching middle school kids about things like say the availability cascade and other biases. Teaching fallacy and other logical failings. We are all born with a brain, why the hell are we not passing out owners manuals? There is no good reason not to teach this stuff in middle/high school and it sure as hell would be more useful in life than french class. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/337 "2013-02-08T11:57:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And by what method did you gain this new knowledge? I gained it through experience. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/338 "2013-02-08T12:12:10Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I gained it through experience. Yeah. What _kind_ of experience? Give us an example, please. ---
**Author:** ![lekatt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lekatt/32/7269_2.png) [@lekatt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lekatt)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/339 "2013-02-08T13:50:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yeah. > What _kind_ of experience? Give us an example, please. I stood in the presence of the Creator and felt the unconditional love emanating from Him. It is not so unusual, millions have done so. His love awakened the love He placed within me and I was never the same again. We all have the Creator’s unconditional love within us. Some connect with it naturally while others find it only in moments of great distress. Like a soldier that falls on a grenade to save others. Like the thousands that came to the aid of Twin Towers just because they wanted too, Like teachers in the recent mass shootings protecting the children with their own bodies. It is within everyone, finding it or connecting with it changes your life forever. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896/340 "2013-02-08T13:52:53Z")
> [@lekatt](#): > > I stood in the presence of the Creator and felt the unconditional love emanating from Him. It is not so unusual, millions have done so. His love awakened the love He placed within me and I was never the same again. We all have the Creator’s unconditional love within us. Some connect with it naturally while others find it only in moments of great distress. Like a soldier that falls on a grenade to save others. Like the thousands that came to the aid of Twin Towers just because they wanted too, Like teachers in the recent mass shootings protecting the children with their own bodies. It is within everyone, finding it or connecting with it changes your life forever. Nonresponsive religious glurge. Disappointing, but expected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-for-god-some-one-said-so/647896.md?page=18)